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Message 10294 (4. Aug. 2009 10:17) (Tree)

biffsk8er
(Mostly)New Skate Build
: You all at RollerCon can BITE ME! :P Bunch of fricken winners... I wish I could be there to hang with yous and learn from all your different skating styles.

Awesome reboot!!! I look forward to skating with you soon to see your improvements in person.

And.....I just might have to bite you.
Biff
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Beer Hunter: (Mostly)New Skate Build (29. Jul. 2009 07:48)
  First, thanks everyone who responded to the previous post about the trucks.

I decided against the Seismics for 2 reasons. 1. I would not have a way to mount my specially shaped steel grinder plates. 2. The owner at Seismic responded very well to my email inquiry, and gave me his best guess on what spring rate to use front and rear. However, it was still only a guess. Going with the suggested springs would cost an extra $10 per truck, since the trucks come supplied with only a base spring. If I needed to change the springs again, which would be likely to happen, then I would need to pay up another $40 to cover all 4 trucks. This all made the concept unappealing.

What I finally decided on was a couple sets of 105mm Bullet trucks. They are low profile and seem to be build fairly tough. If I need to change the suspension, Khiro bushings are easily available for a modest cost.



The trucks took about a week longer to arrive than I had originally hoped for, so I got itchy to skate and patched up the broken old SuperX plate using aluminum brazing rods and a propane torch. The result ,after some filing down of the excess material, was a usable skate plate. I also replaced the rubber pivot bushings with some of the hard plastic type.




That got me by until I could finish the new build. I scored some 1/4" phenolic sheet material from a friend who works in plastics. He had this stuff, which is of the canvas variety, as leftover from a previously cut sheet. I was able to get a piece 26" x 6" wide for only $5. I cut that in half and began to measure and drill for the trucks. The wheelbase of my old skates worked very well for me balancing between front and rear axles. I could roll up on the toe or the heel equally easily, so I kept really close with the new setup. Wheelbase is now 195mm vs 193mm on the old setup.




I happened to find a nice lightly used Craftsman 10" drill press on Craigslist for $80. This made things much easier overall.



The steel grinder plates took the most time to create. At 1/8" thick x 2" wide, they are hard enough to shape yet still can be bent a bit while standing on them without a center support. Getting all four angles just right to fit between the trucks, and drilling the kingpin holes with the right gap was all very tedious. I had done it once before, but it was still a real pain. Then end result was definitely worth the trouble though.



I cut the phenolic base plates with a jigsaw to fit around the perimeter of the truck mounts. The plates do have some flex to them, but once the grinders are mounted on the kingpins all that extra slop disappears. The end result is a skate that turns well, has stability at speed, and holds a rail very easily.



These boots have been mounted 4 times before, so I had to fill in some holes and then re-drill in order to make everything line up as needed. The boot height above the wheels is exactly the same as with the previous plates.

The park was good today... with my new skates I had fun. The ride quality with these trucks is so much better than what I had before! My right foot slid sideways a bit as I came up over the steel coping once. I think that I am almost ready to learn some basic grind moves now. Also, the tail bone is not hurting anymore, but the left knee is a little sensitive under certain movements, but that is only a minor annoyance at this point.

You all at RollerCon can BITE ME! :P Bunch of fricken winners... I wish I could be there to hang with yous and learn from all your different skating styles. Keep us losers entertained with lots of pics and video clips!
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Jay: (Mostly)New Skate Build (29. Jul. 2009 07:59)
 : First, thanks everyone who responded to the previous post about the trucks.
:
: I decided against the Seismics for 2 reasons. 1. I would not have a way to mount my specially shaped steel grinder plates. 2. The owner at Seismic responded very well to my email inquiry, and gave me his best guess on what spring rate to use front and rear. However, it was still only a guess. Going with the suggested springs would cost an extra $10 per truck, since the trucks come supplied with only a base spring. If I needed to change the springs again, which would be likely to happen, then I would need to pay up another $40 to cover all 4 trucks. This all made the concept unappealing.
:
: What I finally decided on was a couple sets of 105mm Bullet trucks. They are low profile and seem to be build fairly tough. If I need to change the suspension, Khiro bushings are easily available for a modest cost.
:
:
:
: The trucks took about a week longer to arrive than I had originally hoped for, so I got itchy to skate and patched up the broken old SuperX plate using aluminum brazing rods and a propane torch. The result ,after some filing down of the excess material, was a usable skate plate. I also replaced the rubber pivot bushings with some of the hard plastic type.
:
:
:
:
: That got me by until I could finish the new build. I scored some 1/4" phenolic sheet material from a friend who works in plastics. He had this stuff, which is of the canvas variety, as leftover from a previously cut sheet. I was able to get a piece 26" x 6" wide for only $5. I cut that in half and began to measure and drill for the trucks. The wheelbase of my old skates worked very well for me balancing between front and rear axles. I could roll up on the toe or the heel equally easily, so I kept really close with the new setup. Wheelbase is now 195mm vs 193mm on the old setup.
:
:
:
:
: I happened to find a nice lightly used Craftsman 10" drill press on Craigslist for $80. This made things much easier overall.
:
:
:
: The steel grinder plates took the most time to create. At 1/8" thick x 2" wide, they are hard enough to shape yet still can be bent a bit while standing on them without a center support. Getting all four angles just right to fit between the trucks, and drilling the kingpin holes with the right gap was all very tedious. I had done it once before, but it was still a real pain. Then end result was definitely worth the trouble though.
:
:
:
: I cut the phenolic base plates with a jigsaw to fit around the perimeter of the truck mounts. The plates do have some flex to them, but once the grinders are mounted on the kingpins all that extra slop disappears. The end result is a skate that turns well, has stability at speed, and holds a rail very easily.
:
:
:
: These boots have been mounted 4 times before, so I had to fill in some holes and then re-drill in order to make everything line up as needed. The boot height above the wheels is exactly the same as with the previous plates.
:
: The park was good today... with my new skates I had fun. The ride quality with these trucks is so much better than what I had before! My right foot slid sideways a bit as I came up over the steel coping once. I think that I am almost ready to learn some basic grind moves now. Also, the tail bone is not hurting anymore, but the left knee is a little sensitive under certain movements, but that is only a minor annoyance at this point.
:
: You all at RollerCon can BITE ME! :P Bunch of fricken winners... I wish I could be there to hang with yous and learn from all your different skating styles. Keep us losers entertained with lots of pics and video clips!

Nice looking Set-Up, BH! I like 'em. Glad you're able to get out rolling again.
Will do what I can on keeping Forum upp-to-date on RollerCon....
PEACE......................Jay
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Jay: (Mostly)New Skate Build (29. Jul. 2009 08:00)
 : First, thanks everyone who responded to the previous post about the trucks.
:
: I decided against the Seismics for 2 reasons. 1. I would not have a way to mount my specially shaped steel grinder plates. 2. The owner at Seismic responded very well to my email inquiry, and gave me his best guess on what spring rate to use front and rear. However, it was still only a guess. Going with the suggested springs would cost an extra $10 per truck, since the trucks come supplied with only a base spring. If I needed to change the springs again, which would be likely to happen, then I would need to pay up another $40 to cover all 4 trucks. This all made the concept unappealing.
:
: What I finally decided on was a couple sets of 105mm Bullet trucks. They are low profile and seem to be build fairly tough. If I need to change the suspension, Khiro bushings are easily available for a modest cost.
:
:
:
: The trucks took about a week longer to arrive than I had originally hoped for, so I got itchy to skate and patched up the broken old SuperX plate using aluminum brazing rods and a propane torch. The result ,after some filing down of the excess material, was a usable skate plate. I also replaced the rubber pivot bushings with some of the hard plastic type.
:
:
:
:
: That got me by until I could finish the new build. I scored some 1/4" phenolic sheet material from a friend who works in plastics. He had this stuff, which is of the canvas variety, as leftover from a previously cut sheet. I was able to get a piece 26" x 6" wide for only $5. I cut that in half and began to measure and drill for the trucks. The wheelbase of my old skates worked very well for me balancing between front and rear axles. I could roll up on the toe or the heel equally easily, so I kept really close with the new setup. Wheelbase is now 195mm vs 193mm on the old setup.
:
:
:
:
: I happened to find a nice lightly used Craftsman 10" drill press on Craigslist for $80. This made things much easier overall.
:
:
:
: The steel grinder plates took the most time to create. At 1/8" thick x 2" wide, they are hard enough to shape yet still can be bent a bit while standing on them without a center support. Getting all four angles just right to fit between the trucks, and drilling the kingpin holes with the right gap was all very tedious. I had done it once before, but it was still a real pain. Then end result was definitely worth the trouble though.
:
:
:
: I cut the phenolic base plates with a jigsaw to fit around the perimeter of the truck mounts. The plates do have some flex to them, but once the grinders are mounted on the kingpins all that extra slop disappears. The end result is a skate that turns well, has stability at speed, and holds a rail very easily.
:
:
:
: These boots have been mounted 4 times before, so I had to fill in some holes and then re-drill in order to make everything line up as needed. The boot height above the wheels is exactly the same as with the previous plates.
:
: The park was good today... with my new skates I had fun. The ride quality with these trucks is so much better than what I had before! My right foot slid sideways a bit as I came up over the steel coping once. I think that I am almost ready to learn some basic grind moves now. Also, the tail bone is not hurting anymore, but the left knee is a little sensitive under certain movements, but that is only a minor annoyance at this point.
:
: You all at RollerCon can BITE ME! :P Bunch of fricken winners... I wish I could be there to hang with yous and learn from all your different skating styles. Keep us losers entertained with lots of pics and video clips!

Nice looking Set-Up, BH! I like 'em. Glad you're able to get out rolling again.
Will do what I can on keeping Forum upp-to-date on RollerCon....
PEACE......................Jay
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ireNe: (Mostly)New Skate Build (29. Jul. 2009 11:23)
 : First, thanks everyone who responded to the previous post about the trucks.
:
: I decided against the Seismics for 2 reasons. 1. I would not have a way to mount my specially shaped steel grinder plates. 2. The owner at Seismic responded very well to my email inquiry, and gave me his best guess on what spring rate to use front and rear. However, it was still only a guess. Going with the suggested springs would cost an extra $10 per truck, since the trucks come supplied with only a base spring. If I needed to change the springs again, which would be likely to happen, then I would need to pay up another $40 to cover all 4 trucks. This all made the concept unappealing.
:
: What I finally decided on was a couple sets of 105mm Bullet trucks. They are low profile and seem to be build fairly tough. If I need to change the suspension, Khiro bushings are easily available for a modest cost.
:
:
:
: The trucks took about a week longer to arrive than I had originally hoped for, so I got itchy to skate and patched up the broken old SuperX plate using aluminum brazing rods and a propane torch. The result ,after some filing down of the excess material, was a usable skate plate. I also replaced the rubber pivot bushings with some of the hard plastic type.
:
:
:
:
: That got me by until I could finish the new build. I scored some 1/4" phenolic sheet material from a friend who works in plastics. He had this stuff, which is of the canvas variety, as leftover from a previously cut sheet. I was able to get a piece 26" x 6" wide for only $5. I cut that in half and began to measure and drill for the trucks. The wheelbase of my old skates worked very well for me balancing between front and rear axles. I could roll up on the toe or the heel equally easily, so I kept really close with the new setup. Wheelbase is now 195mm vs 193mm on the old setup.
:
:
:
:
: I happened to find a nice lightly used Craftsman 10" drill press on Craigslist for $80. This made things much easier overall.
:
:
:
: The steel grinder plates took the most time to create. At 1/8" thick x 2" wide, they are hard enough to shape yet still can be bent a bit while standing on them without a center support. Getting all four angles just right to fit between the trucks, and drilling the kingpin holes with the right gap was all very tedious. I had done it once before, but it was still a real pain. Then end result was definitely worth the trouble though.
:
:
:
: I cut the phenolic base plates with a jigsaw to fit around the perimeter of the truck mounts. The plates do have some flex to them, but once the grinders are mounted on the kingpins all that extra slop disappears. The end result is a skate that turns well, has stability at speed, and holds a rail very easily.
:
:
:
: These boots have been mounted 4 times before, so I had to fill in some holes and then re-drill in order to make everything line up as needed. The boot height above the wheels is exactly the same as with the previous plates.
:
: The park was good today... with my new skates I had fun. The ride quality with these trucks is so much better than what I had before! My right foot slid sideways a bit as I came up over the steel coping once. I think that I am almost ready to learn some basic grind moves now. Also, the tail bone is not hurting anymore, but the left knee is a little sensitive under certain movements, but that is only a minor annoyance at this point.
:
: You all at RollerCon can BITE ME! :P Bunch of fricken winners... I wish I could be there to hang with yous and learn from all your different skating styles. Keep us losers entertained with lots of pics and video clips!

Nice work! Glad you've solved your problems and are rolling again. Stay healthy and we will do our best to keep you happy with RC updates.
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joe90: (Mostly)New Skate Build (29. Jul. 2009 14:00)
 Maaaaaaaaaate,,they came up a treat.Noice work dood.That first sesh on home made gear is a rush init.
Jay and Irene,,your on a promise now,we expect bucket loads of vid and pics.
To everyone whos making the trip,,have a fucken blast.I casualy dropped a hint to the lovely wife about RC 2010,the first step in what I hope to be THE trip of a lifetime.I seem to remember the euros talkin 2010 so I'll round up the loyal oz rollers and see what we can do.Sell your car,sell your ass,,just get there.I cant miss another year,,it's killing me.

cheers joe
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Jay: (Mostly)New Skate Build (29. Jul. 2009 16:13)
 : Maaaaaaaaaate,,they came up a treat.Noice work dood.That first sesh on home made gear is a rush init.
: Jay and Irene,,your on a promise now,we expect bucket loads of vid and pics.
: To everyone whos making the trip,,have a fucken blast.I casualy dropped a hint to the lovely wife about RC 2010,the first step in what I hope to be THE trip of a lifetime.I seem to remember the euros talkin 2010 so I'll round up the loyal oz rollers and see what we can do.Sell your car,sell your ass,,just get there.I cant miss another year,,it's killing me.
:
: cheers joe

G'Day Joe! You'll be here in Spirit, Brother! We'll do what we can with the cameras AND the SK8s!
And 2010 sounds like The Plan! Make it so!!!
PEACE...................Jay
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claudine: (Mostly)New Skate Build (30. Jul. 2009 19:20)
 I think you passed the test on being a vertical rollerskater as that looks like a sweet set up! I am not familiar with the material you used for the baseplates and if that will hold a long time but you did an amazing job altogether. I am home with a headache from hell so missing out on fun in general, but thanx for posting some awesome skates! Cool that you found a drill press, I dont have one myself but bet they make life easier. Homemade skates are the best!!

: First, thanks everyone who responded to the previous post about the trucks.
:
: I decided against the Seismics for 2 reasons. 1. I would not have a way to mount my specially shaped steel grinder plates. 2. The owner at Seismic responded very well to my email inquiry, and gave me his best guess on what spring rate to use front and rear. However, it was still only a guess. Going with the suggested springs would cost an extra $10 per truck, since the trucks come supplied with only a base spring. If I needed to change the springs again, which would be likely to happen, then I would need to pay up another $40 to cover all 4 trucks. This all made the concept unappealing.
:
: What I finally decided on was a couple sets of 105mm Bullet trucks. They are low profile and seem to be build fairly tough. If I need to change the suspension, Khiro bushings are easily available for a modest cost.
:
:
:
: The trucks took about a week longer to arrive than I had originally hoped for, so I got itchy to skate and patched up the broken old SuperX plate using aluminum brazing rods and a propane torch. The result ,after some filing down of the excess material, was a usable skate plate. I also replaced the rubber pivot bushings with some of the hard plastic type.
:
:
:
:
: That got me by until I could finish the new build. I scored some 1/4" phenolic sheet material from a friend who works in plastics. He had this stuff, which is of the canvas variety, as leftover from a previously cut sheet. I was able to get a piece 26" x 6" wide for only $5. I cut that in half and began to measure and drill for the trucks. The wheelbase of my old skates worked very well for me balancing between front and rear axles. I could roll up on the toe or the heel equally easily, so I kept really close with the new setup. Wheelbase is now 195mm vs 193mm on the old setup.
:
:
:
:
: I happened to find a nice lightly used Craftsman 10" drill press on Craigslist for $80. This made things much easier overall.
:
:
:
: The steel grinder plates took the most time to create. At 1/8" thick x 2" wide, they are hard enough to shape yet still can be bent a bit while standing on them without a center support. Getting all four angles just right to fit between the trucks, and drilling the kingpin holes with the right gap was all very tedious. I had done it once before, but it was still a real pain. Then end result was definitely worth the trouble though.
:
:
:
: I cut the phenolic base plates with a jigsaw to fit around the perimeter of the truck mounts. The plates do have some flex to them, but once the grinders are mounted on the kingpins all that extra slop disappears. The end result is a skate that turns well, has stability at speed, and holds a rail very easily.
:
:
:
: These boots have been mounted 4 times before, so I had to fill in some holes and then re-drill in order to make everything line up as needed. The boot height above the wheels is exactly the same as with the previous plates.
:
: The park was good today... with my new skates I had fun. The ride quality with these trucks is so much better than what I had before! My right foot slid sideways a bit as I came up over the steel coping once. I think that I am almost ready to learn some basic grind moves now. Also, the tail bone is not hurting anymore, but the left knee is a little sensitive under certain movements, but that is only a minor annoyance at this point.
:
: You all at RollerCon can BITE ME! :P Bunch of fricken winners... I wish I could be there to hang with yous and learn from all your different skating styles. Keep us losers entertained with lots of pics and video clips!
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Beer Hunter: (Mostly)New Skate Build (1. Aug. 2009 05:04)
  Thanks Jay, these skates are not as flashy as your latest creation, but they will suit me just fine.

It's always nice to see Irene skating, you do it so well... very gracefully. I can't wait to see some fresh footage of you on a big vert ramp.

Yes Joe, it was really something else skating them for the first time. 2010 sounds like a possibility for RollerCon for me as well.

Claudine... the cotton weave phenolic material is about as strong as aluminum (not as rigid though) but nearly half the density. It can be cut like wood, drilled and tapped like metal, and flexed to a certain extent in a manner similar to other plastics without losing it's form. Also, it does not absorb significant amounts of moisture. It should outlast the grinder plates.
Sorry to hear about the nasty headache. I get some bad ones from time to time as well. My little sister gave me a tip one day that can help sometimes. Draw a hot bath, as hot as you can possibly tolerate and soak in it for 20 minutes adding more hot water as needed to keep the temperature up. This might be able to give some relief when normal pain medicine fails.
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claudine: (Mostly)New Skate Build (2. Aug. 2009 00:32)
 : Thanks Jay, these skates are not as flashy as your latest creation, but they will suit me just fine.
:
: It's always nice to see Irene skating, you do it so well... very gracefully. I can't wait to see some fresh footage of you on a big vert ramp.
:
: Yes Joe, it was really something else skating them for the first time. 2010 sounds like a possibility for RollerCon for me as well.
:
: Claudine... the cotton weave phenolic material is about as strong as aluminum (not as rigid though) but nearly half the density. It can be cut like wood, drilled and tapped like metal, and flexed to a certain extent in a manner similar to other plastics without losing it's form. Also, it does not absorb significant amounts of moisture. It should outlast the grinder plates.
: Sorry to hear about the nasty headache. I get some bad ones from time to time as well. My little sister gave me a tip one day that can help sometimes. Draw a hot bath, as hot as you can possibly tolerate and soak in it for 20 minutes adding more hot water as needed to keep the temperature up. This might be able to give some relief when normal pain medicine fails.

Is this lighter then wood/skis? Sounds like good stuff! The headache is from the car accident. I've slept it off most the week. I get a CT scan Monday. By then it will probably be fine. Gave my leg some rest time. I hope one day I can go to rollercon but doesnt look promising for me yet.
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biffsk8er: (Mostly)New Skate Build (4. Aug. 2009 10:17)
 : You all at RollerCon can BITE ME! :P Bunch of fricken winners... I wish I could be there to hang with yous and learn from all your different skating styles.

Awesome reboot!!! I look forward to skating with you soon to see your improvements in person.

And.....I just might have to bite you.
Biff
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biffsk8er: (Mostly)New Skate Build (4. Aug. 2009 10:22)
 : Maaaaaaaaaate,,they came up a treat.Noice work dood.That first sesh on home made gear is a rush init.
: Jay and Irene,,your on a promise now,we expect bucket loads of vid and pics.
: To everyone whos making the trip,,have a fucken blast.I casualy dropped a hint to the lovely wife about RC 2010,the first step in what I hope to be THE trip of a lifetime.I seem to remember the euros talkin 2010 so I'll round up the loyal oz rollers and see what we can do.Sell your car,sell your ass,,just get there.I cant miss another year,,it's killing me.
:
: cheers joe

Splendid, Mate!!

Cheers!
Biff
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biffsk8er: (Mostly)New Skate Build (10. Aug. 2009 19:57)
 : 2010 sounds like a possibility for RollerCon for me as well.

Awesome! Maybe we'll have to carpool?!
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