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Message 12455 (1. Jun. 2010 20:30) (Tree)

biffsk8er
Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck?
: To the goog(le)mobile!

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cephalopoid: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 11:56)
 I've been posting my progress a little bit all over this forum, now I'll limit myself to this thread.

Check my photobucket
I just uploaded pics from last night and this morning.

I screwed up the first pair of plates because I wasn't thinking when I took a part of the curved end. Now I started in the rear, which also has a small curve, but this time it's not life-threatening in the "hey, where's my truck?" in the middle of an air kind of way.
You can see me marking to where I should sand exactly, after which I'll measure where the trucks should go.

Oh, and I accidentally posted my synthesizer setup, too. ^^
And you may see my spraypainted gasmask, used for clubbing as well as lung protection while cutting with my dremel.

Still gotta post the pics from cutting the first plates, which were quite spectacular with sparks and dust flying all over.

Captcha: fugger lead =)
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Bernhard: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 14:00)
 Looks promising. I like your base plates. One thought: You might like a wider slider base than your inline frames provide. This is because you're not riding blades, but trucks which are wider.
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cephalopoid: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 14:03)
 Why? I know I won't be doing royales anymore, (hmm, why not, actually? nothing stops me from sliding on the baseplate) but I can slide on the middle of the frame. No problem, right?
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cephalopoid: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 14:19)
 Just noticed the dremel sanding accessory makes a smooth surface, but won't quit make the plate shorter... need a rough vile or something...
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Bernhard: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 14:23)
 Why? Because it is more consistent. I know that I would be irritated when feeling sidewards stability while rolling changes to no sidewards stability when hitting the coping. It could be totally different for you, but then, I did do a bit of ramp riding on inlines, too. Just try it out and see how it feels. You always can change your sliding setup later unless you glue or solder it together. That's the charm of using screws: It can easily be dismantled again.
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biffsk8er: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 16:10)
 : Just noticed the dremel sanding accessory makes a smooth surface, but won't quit make the plate shorter... need a rough vile or something...

A grinder works if you can find one. Also, maybe a sander with a really rough grit.
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biffsk8er: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 16:12)
 : Looks promising. I like your base plates. One thought: You might like a wider slider base than your inline frames provide. This is because you're not riding blades, but trucks which are wider.

VERY TRUE! I've actually been thinking about making wider sliders the next time I rebuild my skates.
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biffsk8er: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 16:14)
 : Why? I know I won't be doing royales anymore, (hmm, why not, actually? nothing stops me from sliding on the baseplate) but I can slide on the middle of the frame. No problem, right?

The problem, compared to inlines, is that since your trucks stick out, they tend to catch. Especially prevalent to catch on ledges.
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cephalopoid: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 16:17)
 I see where you're getting at.
After 5 years of this kind of frame I think I'm confident with them, though.

The charm with ski baseplates, however, is that you must drill holes, which makes the plate more vulnerable, and that you only have this many holes to go until you ride a swiss cheese plate which is handy for lunchbreaks, but not for skating.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot to mention I'll mount my sliders using angle brackets. I'll explain further later on.
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cephalopoid: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 23:03)
 Just uploaded the pics my gf shot last weekend. The sparks 'n' dust ones. Check the bucket.

I also made pictures of what the plates are now. I grinded them, they're almost symmetrical, they're smooth and they're rounded off, which means I won't risk getting sharp corners in my legs while bailing (except for the fuck-up...).
Will upload them tomorrow.

Tomorrow on the schedule: measuring, measuring again, check the measuring, drilling. I'm gonna put the trucks in the middle of the plate. Wish me luck.

Use. Linux.
That was subliminal. You didn't read this.
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Bernhard: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (20. May. 2010 00:09)
 : Use. Linux.
: That was subliminal. You didn't read this.

But I do use Linux!


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cephalopoid: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (20. May. 2010 19:44)
 Wohooo! Just drilled my first four holes, and... success! The left front truck fits!

Now for the right front, but that'll be tomorrow I'm afraid...

Couldn't take pictures, 'cuz daddy needed his camera back, but if I'm not mistaken he won't be needing it tomorrow. *evil smile*
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cephalopoid: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (20. May. 2010 22:28)
 First I was planning on using t-nuts put in the boot, but a visit to a local skateshop to ask for shockpads showed me another option, which has its advantages (and disadvantages?) over the t-nut scheme.
T-nuts can rip up the sole.

The skateshopowner offered to make me some plates to put under my insole, shaped after the boot. What do you think? It sounds familiar to me. Does anybody have experience with that kind of setup?
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biffsk8er: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (20. May. 2010 22:32)
 : The skateshopowner offered to make me some plates to
: put under my insole, shaped after the boot. What do
: you think? It sounds familiar to me. Does anybody
: have experience with that kind of setup?

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean a liner inside your boot? And, what is its' purpose? Is it so that the t-nut/bolt doesn't tear up the sole of the boot?? Or, are you planning on using a different attachment system??
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biffsk8er: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (20. May. 2010 22:33)
 I really look forward to seeing those pics!!
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Bernhard: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (20. May. 2010 22:49)
 : T-nuts can rip up the sole.

That's true.

: The skateshopowner offered to make me some plates to put under my insole, shaped after the boot. What do you think? It sounds familiar to me. Does anybody have experience with that kind of setup?

Seems to be a nice guy. I'd go for it. As you can see from my howto, I used washers to protect the boot. Works reasonably well (well, it held up for 10 to 20 years, so I guess so). Some plates shaped after the boot should be even better.
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Robert: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 03:01)
 Wow, I want a skateshop owner to make me a setup. i guess I will just skate the stock stuff and have fun.
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cephalopoid: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 03:39)
 : Seems to be a nice guy.

I've had my experiences with this fella. The first time I heard the price of a good skateboard, the words came out of his mouth. I didn't know where I, a 13yo boy, could get that money from. Then I wasted some on toy decks before coming back later to him with some saved dough. But those are other stories.

: I'd go for it. As you can see from my howto, I used washers to protect the boot. Works reasonably well (well, it held up for 10 to 20 years, so I guess so). Some plates shaped after the boot should be even better.

It would be quite a luxury innerbootplate, indeed, now that I let the idea sink in.
I've been looking over setups listed in the "Resources" section, too.

I am way too impatient at the moment. The sun is shining almost every day now and I'd rather ride quads than inlines.
I've got a little problem with the baseplate now, I think, as there's not enough room for extra bolts and nuts around the front trucks. I see three solutions:
-Yours(provided you, the reader, post one)
-There may still be enough room under the truck (I hope that would provide enough stability, but I will need support in the breadth no matter what)
-Longer bolts which transcend from the boot holding the baseplate and the trucks

Insomnia sucks. I hate bipolar syndrome.
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biffsk8er: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 10:54)
 
: I am way too impatient at the moment. The sun is shining almost every day now and I'd rather ride quads than inlines.
: I've got a little problem with the baseplate now, I think, as there's not enough room for extra bolts and nuts around the front trucks. I see three solutions:
: -Yours(provided you, the reader, post one)
: -There may still be enough room under the truck (I hope that would provide enough stability, but I will need support in the breadth no matter what)
: -Longer bolts which transcend from the boot holding the baseplate and the trucks

I need pics to see exactly what the problem is here before I can answer.

Captcha is "tax gypsies"


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Bernhard: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 11:11)
 : : -Longer bolts which transcend from the boot holding the baseplate and the trucks
:
: I need pics to see exactly what the problem is here before I can answer.

I know exactly what he is talking about. That's because I have gone the long bolt route myself when building my skates.
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cephalopoid: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 16:03)
 But do you think having 8 bolts holding boot and plate is enough?
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cephalopoid: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 16:06)
 I mean, I was planning on drilling holes all over.

5 in the back, 4 in the middle and 2 at the toes(without holding my toes down, but using nuts as spacers).

Now having a mere 8 bolts holding it up rings like a loose, uncontrolled ride in my ears.

Then again, nothing stops me adding more here and there besides the 8 in the truck.
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biffsk8er: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 19:07)
 I have 2 long bolts that go through the boot, through the plate, and through the base of my rear skateboard trucks. I drilled 2 holes through the truck base in the middle so that they 'centrally' bolted to the heel of the skate boot.

There are also 4 small bolts attaching the truck to the plate through the normal truck mounting holes.

You can special order bolts for mounting plates that will not pull through the sole of your boots. They look like this :


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Bernhard: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (22. May. 2010 00:38)
 I have only 8 bolts for both skates, i.e. 4 bolts per skate. Results in a perfectly rigid setup for me.
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cephalopoid: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (22. May. 2010 12:12)
 Hmmm, maybe turning my sole into swiss cheese with 11 holes wasn't that good an idea. I'll try tuning my design down, then.
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cephalopoid: delay is over (30. May. 2010 00:15)
 Hiya guys,

I got a bit delayed last week because I had to help my girlfriend move. It came quite as a surprise, as her asocial housemates didn't announce they wanted to wake us up at half past 5 on a sunday morning. It was the last thing that helped us made our mind up after having trouble with them for the last 6 months, like the "shared" kitchen which wasn't as shared as we hoped it was, and their poor hygiene which left their traces all over the house.
Well, to cut a long story short, all of a sudden I didn't have the time to work on the quads, and afterwards I didn't have enough room, because 3/4 of her stuff had to go to my room.
Now I've just finished giving everything a place, so I can -finally- go on.

Paul made me the insole plates, and they turned out waaaaaay cool.
I still owe you guys some pics, so you'll get them. Very, very soon.
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biffsk8er: delay is over (30. May. 2010 10:02)
 No rush. Real life comes first. Glad to know you are still planning your skates. Tell your girl that things happen for a reason and that she'll be glad to have moved on in short time. Cheers!!
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cephalopoid: New pics, progressing... (31. May. 2010 11:26)
 See the new pictures.

So, I tried to organize it. My attempt was poor. I'll see if I can fix it on a computer with decent flash and java.

Next time I'll use riserpads as a stencil for marking and drilling, that's for sure.
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biffsk8er: New pics, progressing... (31. May. 2010 18:39)
 I just looked at all of your pictures. It looks like your skates are coming along pretty nicely. You cleaned up those front ends very well!!

I tried to comment on your pics, but when I did, it kept trying to sign me into facebook. I wonder why it won't let me comment on your photobucket pictures ON photobucket???? I don't have or want a facebook acct..
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Jay: New pics, progressing... (31. May. 2010 19:25)
  Awwww...........come on, Biff! Join the Facebook Revolution, Brother! I'm even now having to try to get my 1000+ MySpace friends turned into my facebook friends. :) It's the ONLY way to Social Network!
Happy Memorial Day......
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cephalopoid: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (31. May. 2010 23:46)
 Let's call the setup that gets me long bolts going through all layers straight to the truck the "long bolts", and the one with bolts going from the boot holding just the plate, and the plate holding the trucks the "short bolt" setup.

While making the holes through the plate, I realised a lot can go wrong while marking and drilling the holes.
The boots cost 85 european cocainestraws, whereas the plates are for free from a source.

Now I thought, if I just have holes in the boots which are ready for use with any setting of the trucks, which means in a shortbolt setup, there's no risk in "drilling wrong".
If I screw up on a longbolt setup, it would be a terrible waste of resources!

Of course, this seems a lot like how the "Plate in boot or t-nuts?" thread ended, but I'd still like to hear your opinions.
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Bernhard: New pics, progressing... (31. May. 2010 23:59)
 : I don't have or want a facebook acct..

You're absolutely right on this. Facbook is a privacy catastrophy.


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cephalopoid: New pics, progressing... (1. Jun. 2010 00:32)
 Maybe I'll just look up another service like photobucket. They were too flash-based for my tastes anyway. My arch+fluxbox setup doesn't like flash very much. Any reccomendations?

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biffsk8er: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 08:57)
 Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here.
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biffsk8er: New pics, progressing... (1. Jun. 2010 09:03)
 Ha ha! I don't even know what arch+fluxbox means!! Does this have something to do with Linux?? If so, I have no clue what you should do. Otherwise, I'd just suggest a good editing program.

Funny, when I viewed your pics, they showed up as photobuckets pics. I thought you were using photobucket??

Captcha is Bisbee Bernard
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Bernhard: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 09:36)
 The option with the long bolts obviously needs fewer holes in your plate and that is one of the reasons why I chose it. The downside is that it is difficult to align the holes and to assemble the whole setup. I'm not sure if it will be easier to assemble the short bolt option. Could be more flexible, but I found that I don't need a lot of flexibility. I do not change anything for years so flexibility and fast dis-assembly/assembly is not that important to me.
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cephalopoid: New pics, progressing... (1. Jun. 2010 09:40)
 Yes, I use photobucket, although I consider uploading to another site.
Arch Linux is the distro I use, and fluxbox is the window manager. If you want, I could explain all this stuff to you.
Anyway, whatever happens under the hood of my pc, it turns out some programs are not running along, and adobe flash, which we use to view videos on youtube, or, in this instance, upload pictures on photobucket, is buggy.
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cephalopoid: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 09:45)
 I made a cute little schematic. Images say a thousand words.
Boot to truck(long bolt), or boot to ski to truck(short bolt).

Check it out on my photobucket, I'm uploading it right now.
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zorg: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 10:22)
 My setup current setup is close to the following, for riding sidestance and \"paralell\". A bit more here: http://zorgdotnl.blogspot.com/search/label/Balls%20and%20nuts)
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cephalopoid: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 10:40)
 I hope that whatever I do, it will last for years. While marking and drilling the holes, the slightest unnoticed budging of the trucks has left their marks, so I had to file some of the holes to stretch them to the right places. If I'd misdrill on the boot, the damage would be irreversible, whereas I can get free plates.
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Bernhard: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 10:57)
 I understand your fears. I'm a sloppy boot-driller myself. It never hurt that I had to extend the holes. That's where the plates (or washers) in the boot come in. They prevent the bolts from ripping through the boot. I never experienced this horror scenario. Your work seems to be so much more precise than mine. Claudine is very good at precision drilling of boots. Gambin is also very experienced, having built lots of skates. So is Rollergirl.
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biffsk8er: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 18:57)
 You could do to both of your trucks what I did to the rear trucks on my skates; and it would most likely solve your problem.

I bolted the trucks to the skis with short bolts. Then, with strong clamps holding the plates to my boots, I drilled 2 more holes through the trucks and on through the boot. These 2 holes required 2 long bolts to attach the plates to the heels of my boot. You could do the same to your front trucks.

Note : I would not put a bolt anywhere where the sole of your boot is not touching (as in your picture) the plate. It might cause the bolt to pull through.


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cephalopoid: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 20:13)
 : You could do to both of your trucks what I did to the rear trucks on my skates; and it would most likely solve your problem.
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: I bolted the trucks to the skis with short bolts. Then, with strong clamps holding the plates to my boots, I drilled 2 more holes through the trucks and on through the boot. These 2 holes required 2 long bolts to attach the plates to the heels of my boot. You could do the same to your front trucks.

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant with the "short boot setup". The boots are connected indirectly to the trucks.
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with that setup. :D

: Note : I would not put a bolt anywhere where the sole of your boot is not touching (as in your picture) the plate. It might cause the bolt to pull through.

I think that problem would be solved by using spacers. I have lots of surplus nuts because of an error I've made while shopping, so I'll be using those as spacers. I don't believe it will rip. Paul did a very good job on the steel soles.
I gave him 3 cans of a good brand of beer, he deserved it. I'll take some pics of them. I completely forgot to do that, sorry guys...

So, I still wonder what zorg's setup is when it comes to bolts 'n' nuts.

Anyway, I'll do the "short bolt" or "indirect" or "whatever name you want to give it, it's the best in my case" setup.
Measure precisely, drill sloppily... I should have a drill on a stand that holds it vertically for these things. I wonder if it's cheap to come by for a dremel, and whether it's any good... To the goog(le)mobile!
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biffsk8er: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 20:30)
 : To the goog(le)mobile!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDc-1zfffMw&feature=related
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cephalopoid: Picasa has landed on the premises (2. Jun. 2010 11:03)
 My picasa.

Phuck fotobucket.
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cephalopoid: Enlightenment (2. Jun. 2010 13:00)
 Now I understand why sliders are listed as a different topic from skate conversion and making quad verts on B's site.

It's a hell lotta work, and you can't afford to get distracted too much by the sliders.
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cephalopoid: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (2. Jun. 2010 13:05)
 Nice, but is it all glued together? Ou sont les boulons et les ecrous?
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Bernhard: Enlightenment (2. Jun. 2010 13:14)
 It really is a lot of work. My current slider setup came into existence more than 10 years after the skates themselves (they had sliders initially, too, but they weren't as flexible). So that's the true reason for the two pages about my skates: The first one was my very first contribution to the world wide web and it made Brian Wainwright find me. So I want to keep this page close to what it was back then. And the second one about creating the slider setup was really another project. With both projects I was very lucky to have people helping me with the plates or with the woodwork where my tools simply wouldn't have been sufficient.
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cephalopoid: Enlightenment (3. Jun. 2010 11:03)
 For the sake of measuring and determining where the holes go through my plates, I'll have to cut the sliders anyhow.
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biffsk8er: Enlightenment (3. Jun. 2010 19:28)
 Below is a picture of my old skate and my new skate. My old skate had Able frames between the trucks, that I cut to fit. They did not stay as secure as I would have liked after a bit of use.

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cephalopoid: Enlightenment (6. Jun. 2010 15:12)
 How did you fasten the frames?
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biffsk8er: Enlightenment (7. Jun. 2010 06:24)
 : How did you fasten the frames?

Very badly. I used bolts that went through the plastic of the frame and through the plate. The were fastened to the plate with locknuts. The problem was that the plastic that the Able frames were made of was too soft. After repeated use, the bolts pulled right through the plastic.

If I did it again, I'd fill the hollow inside of the frames with wood, and secure it there with screws penetrating from from side to side. Then, I'd attach that to the plates with either good solid screws or bolts.

However, I will never use inline frames again, as they really are not the right width for quads. In fact, I am thinking up a new design, as we type, for my next build that will be wider. I now manufacture my own UHMW plastic slider plates(as suggested to me by many on this site).
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zorg: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (7. Jun. 2010 11:06)
 I used 8 bolts though the original holes of skate trucks plates. If the sole of the shoe is more curved than the plate, I put material (leather, plastic bits) between the sole and the plate, to keep the curve of the sole: much more confortable/efficient for skating and doesn't put stress on the boot (had some cracks and begins of wear on plastic hockey boots)

cheers
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cephalopoid: Instructable entry (7. Jun. 2010 12:08)
 Instructable entry

Any kind of feedback or help is appreciated. Just say whatever comes to mind.
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cephalopoid: Drill press (8. Jun. 2010 18:59)
 I found someone who has a drill press I can use, so now it's just drawing and marking, then visit that fellow. After that it would just be sinking holes and putting it all together. :D

As you might see on my picasa, I've already finished trimming the "inline frames" so they can be used as sliders, my fingers, too, for that matter. You may notice the recent usage of gardening gloves.

I also had to learn on youtube from AskTheBuilder that drilling in metal is best done slowly... if I had known this before, it would've saved me lots of trouble.

NEWSFLASH: I just heard from the guy with the drill press. He asked if I wanted to come by tomorrow... Really gotta do the drawings and markings for the right skate tonight, then. :)
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biffsk8er: Drill press (8. Jun. 2010 20:21)
 Cool! Get going!!

Yes, it is best to drill slowly, yet firmly, and with a lubricant, when drilling metal. Otherwise, your drill bit will get a burnt tip and loose its' edge. It also makes the hole more even and smooth.
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Vertic_Al: Drill press (8. Jun. 2010 21:14)
 Agreed, not only does it lose its edge but you also run the risk of snapping the drill bit from the heat generated.

Also with cutting metal you should give a little space to allow you to deburr and file to a nice clean edge.


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cephalopoid: Drill press (9. Jun. 2010 13:10)
 Yeah, I was already doing that, making smaller holes than necessary, then filing them until the bolts fit.

Unfortunately, it'll still take 'til saturday before I can drill the holes. Today would've been too tight with the time, as my friend only had time until half past 1, and I still have to do the drafting and markings of the right skate and the markings of the left skate.
Ah, well, at least I don't have to do the job in a hurry now.

Does anyone still have some useful hints for me?
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biffsk8er: Drill press (9. Jun. 2010 20:42)
 : Does anyone still have some useful hints for me?

Use locknuts with the nylock plastic built into them if you can get them. Less trouble than nuts with separate lock washers, and they do not bite into your plates lick nuts with built in star washers.

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cephalopoid: Drill press (10. Jun. 2010 12:24)
 : Use locknuts with the nylock plastic built into them if you can get them. Less trouble than nuts with separate lock washers, and they do not bite into your plates lick nuts with built in star washers.

Well, I do already have locknuts. The only reason you can't see them in my picasa-pics, is because I wanted to save them for when I'm sure I'm finished.
By the way, I keep uploading pics there. Have you guys already seen the session 9 album?

I could use some ideas on how to (safely) drill through the boots' soles. Would be a waste of 85 precious bucks if I screwed that one up, and I wouldn't know how to hold it perpendicularly while drilling, whether it's with a drill press or a hand drill.
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Bernhard: Drill press (10. Jun. 2010 13:24)
 : I could use some ideas on how to (safely) drill through the boots' soles.

Lookup Claudine's writeup of how she did it: http://www.stonescape.net/~claudine/centering.html

: Would be a waste of 85 precious bucks if I screwed that one up, and I wouldn't know how to hold it perpendicularly while drilling, whether it's with a drill press or a hand drill.

Well, I always was too impatient to do it in another way than holding the boot in one hand and the drill in the other. Most of the time I had to correct the holes. I found it always to be uncritical when the holes where a bit bigger.
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biffsk8er: Drill press (10. Jun. 2010 16:53)
 : Well, I do already have locknuts. The only reason you can't see them in my picasa-pics, is because I wanted to save them for when I'm sure I'm finished.
: By the way, I keep uploading pics there. Have you guys already seen the session 9 album?
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: I could use some ideas on how to (safely) drill through the boots' soles. Would be a waste of 85 precious bucks if I screwed that one up, and I wouldn't know how to hold it perpendicularly while drilling, whether it's with a drill press or a hand drill.

Hey! I was way behind on your Picassa pics!! You've done a lot. I like the Xsjado frames. Looks good! I take it you will bolt the angle stock onto the skis and then bolt the xsjados onto the angle stock?

To drill the boots, do not rush. I used a sliding bar clamp to get my plate centered on my boot. I drilled the mounting holes, with only the skateboard truck bases (hangers) on the plates, by clamping the (ski) plate to the boots and then drilling. I wanted all three of these components together for drilling so that the holes would line up. I also bolted the first drilled hole, in order to keep the plate in place while drilling. I ALSO bolted the second hole, which was cattycorner to the first hole, for the same reason. The last two holes were much easier.

It would be harder to do this if you already attached your frames. After drilling all your mounting holes, I'd the remove the plate, attach the frames, etc.., before fully mounting the plates to the boots.
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biffsk8er: Drill press (10. Jun. 2010 16:55)
 p.s., when clamping your plates to your boot, make sure that you do not clamp it too tight, or that might squish your boot out. (does that make sense??)
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Vertic_Al: Drill press (10. Jun. 2010 19:14)
 I put a block of wood in a vice sticking up, jam the boots onto it and drill straight down.

Also I use a small rectangular shim of metal with holes drilled either end as a washer for the front mount bolts on the inside of the boot. Also helps stop the bolts pulling through.
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cephalopoid: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 18:06)
 I'd like to dedicate a specific song to this very moment:

Don't ask me why.

Biff, your way of just drilling the first hole, bolting it, drilling the second one, etc... is brilliant!
Unfortunately, if your clamps aren't much good, like mine, the plates will diverge while drilling the first hole. Unfortunately I didn't realise in time that if I do the first 4 holes(in total, so two corners of one ski, and two equivalents on the second), then bolt it together.

Stripping the trucks is a very good idea as well.
I don't know where I'd get the idea
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cephalopoid: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 18:08)
 *I don't know where I'd gotten the idea from, but I'm afraid the kingpins' locknuts would get damaged or at least worn from taking them on and off too much.
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cephalopoid: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 18:15)
 : I put a block of wood in a vice sticking up, jam the boots onto it and drill straight down.
:
: Also I use a small rectangular shim of metal with holes drilled either end as a washer for the front mount bolts on the inside of the boot. Also helps stop the bolts pulling through.

I still don't quite get how and where you jam the boots between the block of wood and the vice, can you expand on that?
Drilling straight down is hard with a handdrill.

Good idea on using rectangular shims! It might just be that I used the exact same kind of shims on my self-made soap shoes. I'll post some pics of these later on, when my skates are finished and my room is a tad tidier.
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cephalopoid: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 18:34)
 : : I could use some ideas on how to (safely) drill through the boots' soles.
:
: Lookup Claudine's writeup of how she did it: http://www.stonescape.net/~claudine/centering.html
:
: : Would be a waste of 85 precious bucks if I screwed that one up, and I wouldn't know how to hold it perpendicularly while drilling, whether it's with a drill press or a hand drill.
:
: Well, I always was too impatient to do it in another way than holding the boot in one hand and the drill in the other. Most of the time I had to correct the holes. I found it always to be uncritical when the holes where a bit bigger.

Claudines way looks very good, but making a wooden replica of my feet just takes too much time.

You're right on the fact holes can be corrected, the problem is that you can't do it everywhere. But there has to be at least two holes keeping the bolt tightly in place.

Thanks for the encouragement, though. Seeing everyone skate on diyed setups, one sloppier made than the other, while everyone still rips it hard makes it easier to look at the marginal mistakes and shrug them off.

captcha: Mr Naivety
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Vertic_Al: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 19:33)
 I mean you open the tongue of the boot and put it upside down onto a piece of 2 by 4 that\'s held vertically in a vice.
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biffsk8er: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 19:54)
 : *I don't know where I'd gotten the idea from, but I'm afraid the kingpins' locknuts would get damaged or at least worn from taking them on and off too much.

Never heard that before!! Anything gets more worn with multiple use, but you shouldn't have a problem taking off your king pin nuts. Just don't take a grinder to them.
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biffsk8er: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 20:03)
 : Stripping the trucks is a very good idea as well.
: I don't know where I'd get the idea

Why, you'd get the idea from me!! :D :D

Btw, I listened to your song while I read all your new posts.
I'm pumped and now ready to go play disc golf. Cheers!
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cephalopoid: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 20:19)
 : : Stripping the trucks is a very good idea as well.
: : I don't know where I'd get the idea
:
: Why, you'd get the idea from me!! :D :D
:
: Btw, I listened to your song while I read all your new posts.
: I'm pumped and now ready to go play disc golf. Cheers!

Yeah, I accidentally posted the message halfway, so I started a new message and finished that sentence. Sorry. Of course it's your idea!

Disc golf? Whuzzat? Anyhow, have fun!

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biffsk8er: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 20:32)
 : Disc golf? Whuzzat? Anyhow, have fun!
:

This is discgolf :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GixjHAz-pqU
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Bernhard: Drill press (12. Jun. 2010 21:47)
 : Claudines way looks very good, but making a wooden replica of my feet just takes too much time.

My line of thinking. But Claudine can't be beaten with respect to accuracy.

: Thanks for the encouragement, though. Seeing everyone skate on diyed setups, one sloppier made than the other, while everyone still rips it hard makes it easier to look at the marginal mistakes and shrug them off.

In the end only those who get their skates built will be able to skate them. There where also cases of overdesigned setups that never have been built and their ingenious designers having nothing to skate on. Well, maybe someday they will be back. At least you are not in this category. You have progressed too far not to complete the endeavour.

: captcha: Mr Naivety

He he. I think we all need to be a bit naive to think we can build our own skates. ;)
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cephalopoid: Drill press (12. Jun. 2010 21:56)
 : : Thanks for the encouragement, though. Seeing everyone skate on diyed setups, one sloppier made than the other, while everyone still rips it hard makes it easier to look at the marginal mistakes and shrug them off.
:
: In the end only those who get their skates built will be able to skate them. There where also cases of overdesigned setups that never have been built and their ingenious designers having nothing to skate on. Well, maybe someday they will be back. At least you are not in this category. You have progressed too far not to complete the endeavour.

Have there really been people not execute their plans? Wow...
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Bernhard: Drill press (12. Jun. 2010 22:51)
 : Have there really been people not execute their plans? Wow...

Jup. One has finally seen the light and is skating his very own setup after 10 years of abstinence, another abstinent since an even longer time. I talk to him from time to time and try to make him see the light.
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cephalopoid: drilling rubber (15. Jun. 2010 15:03)
 I noticed using a size 8 drill nets me a size 6 hole.
Drilling the soles is quite a pain without knowing what to do, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.
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Vertic_Al: drilling rubber (15. Jun. 2010 16:19)
 If it's a soft kind of rubber you could try poking the holes with a soldering iron. Tho it'll stink and you have to be REALLY careful.
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cephalopoid: drilling rubber (15. Jun. 2010 17:15)
 Wouldn't be worth the trouble, my bolts are bigger than my soldering iron.

Did I mention I do headphone (or any other audiocable) repairs for just 10 bucks/headphone?
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cephalopoid: New pics! Check 'em out! (15. Jun. 2010 19:23)
 My picasa.

Check it out, dawgs! (Assuming you all walk on all fours, are smelly, annoying, and bark occasionally.)
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cephalopoid: number of bolts fastening the boots (15. Jun. 2010 19:30)
 I've planned lots of places to put bolts, and I've already drilled the holes through the plates, but noticing the sturdyness and rigidness of just fastening the first two(!) bolts, I decided to skip four holes per boot.

captcha: remove bimbos
I like the avant-gardistic/random aspect of those captchas. The occasional relevance is stupendous, too, seeing as how often it happens to be relevant on this forum.
But maybe it's just because we're a suicide cult.
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Vertic_Al: New pics! Check 'em out! (15. Jun. 2010 19:40)
 Coming along nicely dude.

Your glasses are very similar to mine.
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biffsk8er: New pics! Check 'em out! (15. Jun. 2010 21:02)
 : My picasa.
:
: Check it out, dawgs! (Assuming you all walk on all fours, are smelly, annoying, and bark occasionally.)

Woof!
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biffsk8er: number of bolts fastening the boots (15. Jun. 2010 21:03)
 : But maybe it's just because we're a suicide cult.

Speak for yourself. I intend to live forever!!
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cephalopoid: Simultaneous or each apart? (17. Jun. 2010 12:01)
 Should I finish one skate first, then do the other or work on them simultaneously, so they're both done at the same time?
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biffsk8er: Simultaneous or each apart? (17. Jun. 2010 17:54)
 You could be like Ekamukhi Mahakali. Use all of your arms to do everything at once!! I'd do all the drilling for both at the same time so that that is the same. I'd mount both the plates, and the I'd add all 8 wheels, so in essence, you are finishing them at the same time.


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Vertic_Al: Simultaneous or each apart? (17. Jun. 2010 18:13)
 I agree do both Simultaneously, that's how i did it.
Also helps get em as identical as possible as you can compare each stage.
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cephalopoid: Simultaneous or each apart? (18. Jun. 2010 00:29)
 Did you make that hindu stuff up? I can't be bothered to google it ATM.

I may not be liying on the floor, rolling around laughing, but seriously, ROFL!

captcha: durbar said
Hindi version of "Simon says"?
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biffsk8er: Simultaneous or each apart? (18. Jun. 2010 07:35)
 : Did you make that hindu stuff up? I can't be bothered to google it ATM.
:
: I may not be luying on the floor, rolling around laughing, but seriously, ROFL!
:
: captcha: durbar said
: Hindi version of "Simon says"?

Funny !!! durbar said....funny. No. I did not make up the Hindu stuff. I got it off wikipedia.
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cephalopoid: Fed up (18. Jun. 2010 14:58)
 I'm fed up with doing ten more holes through the rubber. Watching youtube videos gets me desperate.

I could use some encouragement. Anyone?
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Bernhard: Fed up (18. Jun. 2010 15:07)
 Don't watch YouTube videos if they get you desperate.
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biffsk8er: Fed up (18. Jun. 2010 15:08)
 It'll be worth the work, once you are done. When you are skating, you'll look back on your hard work fondly and be so glad you finished it! Just think, for every hole you make, you will enjoy 10 great sessions in a skate park!!!
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cephalopoid: Fed up (19. Jun. 2010 00:32)
 Thanks for the kind words, Biff.
You're right, Bernhard, but they keep popping up on the forum, and I'm too curious not to click the "play" button.

I just rode my bike past the pool and stopped beside it for a moment. I had a tingling that might just be of the same kind as the tingling drug addicts feel when they almost get their fix.
A thing we have in common, us skaters and drug addicts, would be sensationalism. We want to experience a thrill and feel our blood rushing.

Anyhoo, my visit at the pool was inspiring. That's for sure.
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cephalopoid: Practically finished the left skate. (19. Jun. 2010 23:30)
 So, guys, I think I've finished the left skate.
(Still have to cut into my shock pads, though, but that's a matter of half an hour or less.)

When I was asking for advice on whether to do both at the same time or first finishing the left one, then do the right one, I forgot they weren't perfectly mirrored, so doing them simultaneously wouldn't have made that big a difference.
Sorry for wasting your time, I think I was just looking for motivation, inspiration, and the saddest of them all, attention.
Although the finished left skate can be used to mirror the right one as well as possible.

If it turns out messed up, I know what's the first thing I'll do. Butcher another pair of skis. Mwahahaha

Anyway uh, I'm still making pics here and there, but I haven't found the camera cable yet, so it will still take a few days before posting a shitload of pics.

captcha: awful 135
Makes me think of radioactive elements, like cesium 137... but awful?
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biffsk8er: Practically finished the left skate. (20. Jun. 2010 08:22)
 : So, guys, I think I've finished the left skate.
: (Still have to cut into my shock pads, though, but that's a matter of half an hour or less.)
:
: When I was asking for advice on whether to do both at the same time or first finishing the left one, then do the right one, I forgot they weren't perfectly mirrored, so doing them simultaneously wouldn't have made that big a difference.
: Sorry for wasting your time, I think I was just looking for motivation, inspiration, and the saddest of them all, attention.
: Although the finished left skate can be used to mirror the right one as well as possible.
:
: If it turns out messed up, I know what's the first thing I'll do. Butcher another pair of skis. Mwahahaha
:
: Anyway uh, I'm still making pics here and there, but I haven't found the camera cable yet, so it will still take a few days before posting a shitload of pics.
:
: captcha: awful 135
: Makes me think of radioactive elements, like cesium 137... but awful?

Shut up already and post the finshed skates with you riding them!! :P
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cephalopoid: Left slider, holes in right boot (24. Jun. 2010 18:19)
 So, I went on drilling holes in the right boot and the right metal sole, but after getting frustrated with how hard it was to turn the bolts through the boot(I even broke a bolt), I decided to get my left slider done.
I hope we'll find the camera cable soon.
Just to keep you guys updated.
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biffsk8er: Left slider, holes in right boot (24. Jun. 2010 22:39)
 You're gonna make it!!!!
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cephalopoid: Left slider, holes in right boot (25. Jun. 2010 00:38)
 : You're gonna make it!!!!

Yes, we can!

- Barack Obama
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cephalopoid: screwing nuts on "loose" bolts? (26. Jun. 2010 01:41)
 I'm not sure if I was clear in asking my question, as I'm dead tired after a day of good progress, unnecessary bloodshed and lots of cursing. In Holland we curse with diseases. Cholera! Tyfus! ;)

Anyhoo, here's the question, as posted before here: http://www.instructables.com/answers/How-to-tighten-locknuts-without-the-bolt-being-fas/

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How to tighten locknuts without the bolt being fastened?
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So, I'm trying to fasten my trucks to my diy-ed skates now, but one of the three bolts of the first truck is looser in it's hole than the other three. When I try to screw the locknut on, the bolt just turns along, and there's my sole on the other end. First mounting the trucks to the baseplate and then mounting the baseplate to the boot is not an option, as there's bolts fastening the plate under the trucks.
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biffsk8er: screwing nuts on (26. Jun. 2010 08:39)
 : Anyhoo, here's the question, as posted before here: http://www.instructables.com/answers/How-to-tighten-locknuts-without-the-bolt-being-fas/
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: ================================
: How to tighten locknuts without the bolt being fastened?
: ================================
: So, I'm trying to fasten my trucks to my diy-ed skates now, but one of the three bolts of the first truck is looser in it's hole than the other three. When I try to screw the locknut on, the bolt just turns along, and there's my sole on the other end. First mounting the trucks to the baseplate and then mounting the baseplate to the boot is not an option, as there's bolts fastening the plate under the trucks.

The way I see it is this :
your bolt heads cannot be accessed, as the bolts holding the plate were installed before attaching your trucks to the plate. Therefor, you must have had the bolts for the trucks already in the plate as you bolted the plate to the boots. Then, when you attach the trucks, the bolt spins because you cannot get a spanner or a screw driver to it. Correct?

Now, assuming I am right, the only solution would be the answers you got on the instructables website. The other solution is to rethink your mounting procedure. I made sure to attach my trucks to the 'ski skate plates' before attaching my plates to the boot.

I firmly mounted my rear trucks to the 'ski skate plate' using all four mounting holes. I drilled a 3rd set of holes through the 'skate truck' base plates, and on through the 'ski skate plate' and the boot. These holes were in between the existing holes on the sides of the 'skate truck' base plates. I used bolts that were long enough to go through the boot, plate, and truck all at once. Thus, firmly attaching all 3 at one time.

The front trucks were firmly attached to the 'ski skate plate' through the front holes of the front truck base plates. I used the rearward base plate holes to put 2 bolts through the boot, plate, and trucks, thus firmly attaching all 3 at one time, like with the rear trucks.

In this way, you will not ever have loose spinning bolts.

Man, I hope someone understands what I just said!! Whew!
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cephalopoid: screwing nuts on "loose" bolts? (26. Jun. 2010 10:45)
 : : Anyhoo, here's the question, as posted before here: http://www.instructables.com/answers/How-to-tighten-locknuts-without-the-bolt-being-fas/
: :
: : ================================
: : How to tighten locknuts without the bolt being fastened?
: : ================================
: : So, I'm trying to fasten my trucks to my diy-ed skates now, but one of the three bolts of the first truck is looser in it's hole than the other three. When I try to screw the locknut on, the bolt just turns along, and there's my sole on the other end. First mounting the trucks to the baseplate and then mounting the baseplate to the boot is not an option, as there's bolts fastening the plate under the trucks.
:
: The way I see it is this :
: your bolt heads cannot be accessed, as the bolts holding the plate were installed before attaching your trucks to the plate. Therefor, you must have had the bolts for the trucks already in the plate as you bolted the plate to the boots. Then, when you attach the trucks, the bolt spins because you cannot get a spanner or a screw driver to it. Correct?
:
: Now, assuming I am right, the only solution would be the answers you got on the instructables website. The other solution is to rethink your mounting procedure. I made sure to attach my trucks to the 'ski skate plates' before attaching my plates to the boot.
:
: I firmly mounted my rear trucks to the 'ski skate plate' using all four mounting holes. I drilled a 3rd set of holes through the 'skate truck' base plates, and on through the 'ski skate plate' and the boot. These holes were in between the existing holes on the sides of the 'skate truck' base plates. I used bolts that were long enough to go through the boot, plate, and truck all at once. Thus, firmly attaching all 3 at one time.
:
: The front trucks were firmly attached to the 'ski skate plate' through the front holes of the front truck base plates. I used the rearward base plate holes to put 2 bolts through the boot, plate, and trucks, thus firmly attaching all 3 at one time, like with the rear trucks.
:
: In this way, you will not ever have loose spinning bolts.
:
: Man, I hope someone understands what I just said!! Whew!

That really made sense! I really liked how you reformulated my question. It was like, almost 2 AM when I typed this, so I was dead tired after a day of bloodshed, cursing and almost finishing my left skate. I'm lucky that wound hasn't infected. Note to self: Never, ever, slip with stanley knives again.

Re-Design's answer seems very good, I'll see if I have enough room left on the bolts for that idea. Gotta find some very, very fine pliers, now. Mom should have some.
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Bernhard: screwing nuts on (26. Jun. 2010 12:15)
 I use two nuts to avoid the spinning bolt problem. First, a non-locking nut. It will normally pose no problem to screw on a non-locking nut (in the worst case, I use a side cutter to cautiously grip the bolt in its threads). Afterwars, the bolt is tight enough so I can screw on the lock nut. Of course, the bolt needs to be long enough to accept two nuts.
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cephalopoid: screwing nuts on (26. Jun. 2010 18:38)
 : I use two nuts to avoid the spinning bolt problem. First, a non-locking nut. It will normally pose no problem to screw on a non-locking nut (in the worst case, I use a side cutter to cautiously grip the bolt in its threads). Afterwars, the bolt is tight enough so I can screw on the lock nut. Of course, the bolt needs to be long enough to accept two nuts.

Mine weren't long enough for that. But the solution with cutting a stripe with my dremel did the job easily!

Now I've finished the left skate. :D
Slider and everything. It rocks, although the only thing that really "rocks" here is my trucks rocking me. They can't rock me to sleep though. My sense of humor sucks.
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biffsk8er: screwing nuts on (26. Jun. 2010 19:34)
 VIDEO AND/OR pics!!!!!
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cephalopoid: screwing nuts on (26. Jun. 2010 22:17)
 : VIDEO AND/OR pics!!!!!

Sorry, Biff, we still haven't found the cable. Once we've found the cable there's gonna be a picsplosion somewhere in the intertubes. And everyone will rejoice and eat cake.
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cephalopoid: Pics of the left skate (28. Jun. 2010 18:56)
 Wait! How could this ever come to be? The strangest illusion of all times; The head of a lovely girl in the body of an ugly snake. She is, positively, alive and has the most awesome story to tell, of how her body transformed into an ugly snake.

Enjoy. We've finally found the camera cable.
I'll enjoy doing the right one now. 4/6 holes through the boots and metal insoles now.
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biffsk8er: Pics of the left skate (28. Jun. 2010 19:26)
 Man, those are some serious Frankenskates!!!
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cephalopoid: Pics of the left skate (28. Jun. 2010 21:06)
 : Man, those are some serious Frankenskates!!!

Frankenskates? I must admit I use parts from inline, skateboarding and skiing and if we really split hairs, the insoles are from the running sport and the laces are from hockey. So yeah, I must concede, they're Frankenskates.


I still need a name for the skates. Calling the left one Stalin and the right one Mussolini would be funny, but two seperate names would split my psyche. ;)
Frank (as in Frankenskate) would be bad, too, because a good old skateboarderpal of mine is called Frank. I'd rather not dedicate them to someone.
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biffsk8er: Pics of the left skate (29. Jun. 2010 00:52)
 "Frank" & "Stein"
"Jeckyl" & "Hyde"
"Roll" and "Bounce"
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Beer Hunter: Pics of the left skate (29. Jun. 2010 01:32)
  I would have settled for "roller" and "skate", then had a drink to celebrate my wittiness. I will have a drink for any stupid reason.( seriously, I do not put names to anything at all)

Man, that took a whole lot more tooling than what I would have been willing to do! I like to keep things as simple as possible with weight savings always in mind. Set that finished skate on a scale and tell us how much it weighs, if you have the means to do so.

Oh, the next skate will go together so much faster now that you have a model to follow. GET IT DONE so that you can USE them!
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cephalopoid: FINISHED! <:D (4. Jul. 2010 02:52)
 Just finished the right skate. I'm gonna sleep now, it's almost 3AM. Tomorrow's the big day, I'll be testing them then. I'm so friggin' fudgin' happy! WHEEEEEEE!

I'll try to remember to bring along the cam. I'll share the first moments with you, however painful they may be.
And I'll wear a helmet for a change.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! All hail the DIY gods!

*goes to bed to have nice dreams*
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biffsk8er: FINISHED! <:D (4. Jul. 2010 08:32)
 SUPER COOL!!!

Have loads of fun!!!
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cephalopoid: The legacy goes on - Toeguards (5. Jul. 2010 22:23)
 During the first session I quickly realised I needed toeguards. So today I went to a leather store and bought some pieces of cow skin.

As I tend to fall in a fashion of "sliding on the right boot", which is clearly visible if you look close at my xsjados, my legs and my kneepads, I'll be needing something more than just a toeguard for my right boot.
Me and my girlfriend thought of a heelguard, going from one side of the laces to the other through the back. Then, we'd add another slab of leather between heelguard and toeguard. That way I'd have sort of a "leather cuff".

How do you guys protect your boots from the evil concrete? Any ideas on what I could do apart from this? I like to have multiple options.
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biffsk8er: The legacy goes on - Toeguards (5. Jul. 2010 22:29)
 : How do you guys protect your boots from the evil concrete? Any ideas on what I could do apart from this? I like to have multiple options.

Mine are getting utterly destroyed as well.

I'm thinking of getting some cheap plastic inline boots, at a resale shop, and cutting off the toe end. I'll then attach that over the toe end of my skates.
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Bernhard: The legacy goes on - Toeguards (5. Jul. 2010 22:33)
 I use some very tough plastic which I got 20 years ago from a specialty shop in Munich. I told them that it needed to slide well and to have very low abrasion. And it has lasted me ever since. You can see it attached to the front of my boots:


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biffsk8er: The legacy goes on - Toeguards (5. Jul. 2010 22:35)
 :

Hey, do you have any other angle shots of those skates?? Especially a side or bottom view of the plate / frame attachment?
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Bernhard: The legacy goes on - Toeguards (5. Jul. 2010 23:05)
 Are the shots on my how-to pages:

http://adinfinitum.de/Rollerskate/howto/VertSk8.html

and

http://adinfinitum.de/Rollerskate/howto/Slider.html

sufficient?
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cephalopoid: The legacy goes on - Toeguards (5. Jul. 2010 23:06)
 : I'm thinking of getting some cheap plastic inline boots, at a resale shop, and cutting off the toe end. I'll then attach that over the toe end of my skates.

Good one!
I've seen USD cuffs at an online aggro-inline shop last week, and I thought they'd make nice protective "socks" for my boots, if they came the right size. But honestly, the fact I use inline frames as sliders is already bad enough and besides, for now, I can't be bothered to measure and drill more holes through plastic, rubber and polymers.

Although we'd just gotten another idea! How about a slab of UHMW as a sideguard?
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