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Message 3207 (4. Sep. 2007 22:55) (Tree)

Bernhard
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Thank you! :-)
: Hey, have any videos of him sk8n?

You can see him on the AirAttack video which you can find on Rene Hulgreen's web site. He is also the roller skater on the cover of the video. His set-up was more conventional back then. He has also posted a video about his travel to Barbados here in the forum.

: I wish I knew how to contact Brain W. I LOVE his plates!!

You can find his email address here in the forum.

: I've learned so much from this forum, thanks.

I am glad to hear this. I am happy that there are more roller skaters out there.
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claudine: tips on centering a plate? (1. Sep. 2007 20:08)
 So far it seems that people freak on putting on plates if they arent artistic set up. And I want to put a full length plate on mine so might have to do it myself unless I can get Lisa to do it or who knows who else lol. I dont have the money to afford a screw up right now to learn. So any tips? I have a SUPER good eye that I can tell from looking if one plate is even a mm off, just dont know what IS center. I dont know if the snyder tool would do or if I should eyeball the boot from above to get it centered or measure a line to the 2nd and 3rd toe or whats the most accurate way. Any help? I'm afraid to do this without having watch it being done since I learn by observing. I dont get what the deal is on putting on a plate thats an inch longer. Its funny how people spaz over the thought of a vert skate lol.
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irene: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 03:10)
 Yes, I need advice, too....Help

I freak when mounting my own skates, but my experience with others (professionals) who drill my boot are not always accurate. So, doing it myself is just as good. Any tips would be helpful. I know most of you have created your own setups and that is so unique within our community. Thanks for any tips!

ps. I have composited the evolution of my skates since 2002 (there were others before but...) Any advice for grindbars? I really want to try out this new wider truck setup and longer wheelbase and am anxious to assemble them. They will be mounted on new Riedell Carrera Speed Boots. Help, quick!!!

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: So far it seems that people freak on putting on plates if they arent artistic set up. And I want to put a full length plate on mine so might have to do it myself unless I can get Lisa to do it or who knows who else lol. I dont have the money to afford a screw up right now to learn. So any tips? I have a SUPER good eye that I can tell from looking if one plate is even a mm off, just dont know what IS center. I dont know if the snyder tool would do or if I should eyeball the boot from above to get it centered or measure a line to the 2nd and 3rd toe or whats the most accurate way. Any help? I'm afraid to do this without having watch it being done since I learn by observing. I dont get what the deal is on putting on a plate thats an inch longer. Its funny how people spaz over the thought of a vert skate lol.
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Irene: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 03:15)
 here is the pic i tried to attach before....
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irene: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 03:17)
 : here is the pic i tried to attach before....

try a pdf instead of a jpg? don't know why the pic won't attach...

apologies
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claudine: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 03:49)
 : : here is the pic i tried to attach before....
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: try a pdf instead of a jpg? don't know why the pic won't attach...
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: apologies

If you wanna try, email it to me and I'll try to post it, try to compress it or whatever, hopefully lol.
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claudine: Is this info correct? (2. Sep. 2007 04:26)
 I searched the net and this is what I found. Seems easy:

"First find the center line of your plate which is basically the rivet holes that hold on your hangers and draw a line down them. You will have to put some kind of mark at the front and back of the plate and you might even already have one from the first person that mounted you skates.

On your boot find the center line and make a line. The center line would be the middle of your heel and the middle of the fattest part of your sole under the ball of the foot.

This way the center of your foot is on the center of the skate. If you look at your old boots you will see that if you draw a center line on it that the center line will (should) got right in the middle of the mounting holes."

I dont quite get the centering on the plate. Seems like there is a center mark already on the plate, right?

And it seems like you basically measure the middle point at the middle of your heel and middle of the ball of the foot and make a line. Just is this also correct for full length plates? Please help lol!
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Bernhard: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 09:10)
 : try a pdf instead of a jpg? don't know why the pic won't attach...

PDF won't work. Maybe your JPG is too big? Some years ago my hoster put a size limit on them (I think it is 100 KB).
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Irene: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 13:21)
 I freak when mounting my own skates, but my experience with others (professionals) who drill my boot are not always accurate. So, doing it myself is just as good. Any tips would be helpful. I know most of you have created your own setups and that is so unique within our community. Thanks for any tips!

ps. I have composited the evolution of my skates since 2002 (there were others before but...) Any advice for grindbars? I really want to try out this new wider truck setup and longer wheelbase and am anxious to assemble them. They will be mounted on new Riedell Carrera Speed Boots. Help, quick!!!

this jpg is 372kb. see if it will attach...
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irene: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 13:25)
 : I freak when mounting my own skates, but my experience with others (professionals) who drill my boot are not always accurate. So, doing it myself is just as good. Any tips would be helpful. I know most of you have created your own setups and that is so unique within our community. Thanks for any tips!
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: ps. I have composited the evolution of my skates since 2002 (there were others before but...) Any advice for grindbars? I really want to try out this new wider truck setup and longer wheelbase and am anxious to assemble them. They will be mounted on new Riedell Carrera Speed Boots. Help, quick!!!
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: this jpg is 200kb. see if it will attach...it's getting smaller
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claudine: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 13:43)
 : : I freak when mounting my own skates, but my experience with others (professionals) who drill my boot are not always accurate. So, doing it myself is just as good. Any tips would be helpful. I know most of you have created your own setups and that is so unique within our community. Thanks for any tips!
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: : ps. I have composited the evolution of my skates since 2002 (there were others before but...) Any advice for grindbars? I really want to try out this new wider truck setup and longer wheelbase and am anxious to assemble them. They will be mounted on new Riedell Carrera Speed Boots. Help, quick!!!
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: : this jpg is 200kb. see if it will attach...it's getting smaller

Oh wow! Thats one of the coolest images I've ever seen. Man, you're gonna have some really COOL skates!! :-D
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claudine: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 14:07)
 : : I freak when mounting my own skates, but my experience with others (professionals) who drill my boot are not always accurate. So, doing it myself is just as good. Any tips would be helpful. I know most of you have created your own setups and that is so unique within our community. Thanks for any tips!
: :
: : ps. I have composited the evolution of my skates since 2002 (there were others before but...) Any advice for grindbars? I really want to try out this new wider truck setup and longer wheelbase and am anxious to assemble them. They will be mounted on new Riedell Carrera Speed Boots. Help, quick!!!
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: : this jpg is 200kb. see if it will attach...it's getting smaller

Now I'm thinking these trucks:
http://www.landyachtz.com/D27.cfm?PID=101&place=1
on airplane wood plate, grind bar??????? Maybe out of an inline skate lol.

If I get how to center a plate and can come up with some mula lol.
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zorg: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 20:50)
 Here is my current setup. Hope the pict passes...
For right/left centering:
The back of the shoe is centered with the plate axis.
The front of the shoe is centered such as the seen from the top, the front sides of the shoe are at equal distance from the front wheels (resulting in a front axis of the shoe about 1cm outside the axis of the plate)
For back/front centering, the pict with my feet is close to reality...
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zorg: Pict 2nd try? (2. Sep. 2007 20:52)
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zorg: Pict 3nd try (2. Sep. 2007 20:54)
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zorg: tips on centering a plate? (2. Sep. 2007 20:58)
 Nice collection Irene!!!! So the indys fits in the Krux baseplate? Wich setup do you prefer?
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claudine: Pict 3nd try (3. Sep. 2007 01:28)
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Hahahaha! U got hairy legs lol. Just teasing ya! :-D

Thanks, very helpful.

Yeah, noticed how the outside wheel looks like its a touch more out then the inside wheel which is what I would think would happen with the wheels way forward. In speed boots, the center on top is supposed to be the center of the widest part of the boot, the ball of the foot. Just if you extend the line and have the wheels forward, in the speed boots the toe box is more triangular to the big toe so more wheel would show near the outside little toe making it appear off center. But if it were a square inline boot it wouldnt be as noticeable. So I think that having my wheels forward will give that impression of being off centered looking down from the top since more wheel will show on the outside but it will still be centered right? I havent done it yet but if my exisiting plates were stretched, I know thats what it would look like the closer I get towards the toe if I didnt change the angle of the plate. I hope I made sense lol.

I think I can do it. Just hope I can drill in straight on the thicker heel. And I assume I should get some wood putty to stop up the holes or is that not necessary? I hope I got this right. I would like to try a setup with skateboard trucks once I have the money.

Would the standard width trucks still be fine until I figure out how to grind? I think so.
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zorg: Pict 3nd try (3. Sep. 2007 11:05)
 For my speed skates I center the skate main axis the same way. Like this, you are sure to balance equally your weight on both sides of the skate. Another tip: once you have placed your plates/boots, it's easy to mark the boot places for drilling with the white "paint" pen brush (Blanco?) you use for "erasing" writings on paper. It's very easy to mount the boots if you are carefull. Just a last thing: be very carefull to have the 2 skates mounted the same way (maybe 1mm max tolerance?). Have fun !!!!!
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Irene: tips on centering a plate? (3. Sep. 2007 15:36)
 : Nice collection Irene!!!! So the indys fits in the Krux baseplate? Wich setup do you prefer?

yes, they interchange. The indy 109mm hangars are not as wide as the krux 3.0 lows. I may go wider in the future, but for now I think the 109mm will be good!
I'm also trying to keep the weight down, this combo is lightest. thanks for the tips.

http://www.a1skateboards.com/product.asp?product=1TKRU0DL3000000
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claudine: tips on centering a plate? (3. Sep. 2007 17:45)
 : : Nice collection Irene!!!! So the indys fits in the Krux baseplate? Wich setup do you prefer?
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: yes, they interchange. The indy 109mm hangars are not as wide as the krux 3.0 lows. I may go wider in the future, but for now I think the 109mm will be good!
: I'm also trying to keep the weight down, this combo is lightest. thanks for the tips.
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: http://www.a1skateboards.com/product.asp?product=1TKRU0DL3000000

109mm? Is that the axel length? Cause if so..........those are more narrow then RG narrow ramp trucks!! OK, thinking, thinking lol. :-D Hey, think if I do this, I could just screw in the toeguard? I dont need a stopper for ramps.
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claudine: Pict 3nd try (3. Sep. 2007 17:51)
 : For my speed skates I center the skate main axis the same way. Like this, you are sure to balance equally your weight on both sides of the skate. Another tip: once you have placed your plates/boots, it's easy to mark the boot places for drilling with the white "paint" pen brush (Blanco?) you use for "erasing" writings on paper. It's very easy to mount the boots if you are carefull. Just a last thing: be very carefull to have the 2 skates mounted the same way (maybe 1mm max tolerance?). Have fun !!!!!

I do think I have it but lemme make sure I've got it one more time. So the center line is the same for normal or full length trucks right? I was told for speed/art boots you find the center at the heel and at the largest part of the ball of the foot then draw a line. Hopefully I am communicating this right because at your toes, in a speed boot the triangle veers towards the big toe. So there will be slight more wheel showing the closer to the tips of your toes that you get. I could get a snyder tool, but if I get it seems unnecessary.

Now I'm thinking of getting airplane wood for the plate and getting some skateboard trucks lol! Hey if I got how to center, that opens up my whole own setup if I want. Woo-hoo! How fun lol. Just if I do it the later way, it might be round Xmas time til I get it done due to money, work and classes next month. Not much time to mess around. I'll think about it!
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Bernhard: Pict 3nd try (3. Sep. 2007 21:13)
 : I do think I have it but lemme make sure I've got it one more time. So the center line is the same for normal or full length trucks right? I was told for speed/art boots you find the center at the heel and at the largest part of the ball of the foot then draw a line.

I've heard similar things. And we also had the discussion as to where to align the plates in front and in rear. Probably there is an advantage for speed skates to get a better push where centering them more on the inside. I think what's an advantage on speed skates is more of a disadvantage for ramp skating. There you don't get your speed from an outward stroke and you balance the centering more for stability than for maximum outward stroke efficiency.

You don't even need to have you skates strictly aligned with your feet if you do not ride parallel. Side stance rider Holger Sander deliberately has his skates aligned in a way that the strain on his legs is lessend.

I think what't really important is to get your trucks aligned if you use skateboard trucks. If you don't, you skate will always go in a curve which is not good.
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claudine: Pict 3nd try (4. Sep. 2007 05:24)
 : I've heard similar things. And we also had the discussion as to where to align the plates in front and in rear. Probably there is an advantage for speed skates to get a better push where centering them more on the inside. I think what's an advantage on speed skates is more of a disadvantage for ramp skating. There you don't get your speed from an outward stroke and you balance the centering more for stability than for maximum outward stroke efficiency.
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: You don't even need to have you skates strictly aligned with your feet if you do not ride parallel. Side stance rider Holger Sander deliberately has his skates aligned in a way that the strain on his legs is lessend.
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: I think what't really important is to get your trucks aligned if you use skateboard trucks. If you don't, you skate will always go in a curve which is not good.

How did Holger Sander align his skates? Could you expand upon that?

I skate parallel now. I want to learn sidestance so I can do both one day, but right now I can only do sidestance in a straight line with speed one direction. The other way I tend to spin around lol. Need more practice!

Thanks! What I will probably do since my skates skate great now is just make a line with the inner and outter holes and put the longer trucks on that line. I think I will wait to do the skateboard trucks set up. I havent quiite yet been sk8n a year and think it will be another year before I start doing really cool tricks. So by then I want a really great set up for grinding too.
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Bernhard: Pict 3nd try (4. Sep. 2007 06:12)
 : : You don't even need to have you skates strictly aligned with your feet if you do not ride parallel. Side stance rider Holger Sander deliberately has his skates aligned in a way that the strain on his legs is lessend.
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: How did Holger Sander align his skates? Could you expand upon that?

I thought it could be seen on the picture behind the link. How can I describe it better? For side stance, you need to put your skates at an angle of 180 degrees. With normal alignment, you also have to put your feet at that angle. The way Holger constructed his skates, this angle is significantly smaller.

: Thanks! What I will probably do since my skates skate great now is just make a line with the inner and outter holes and put the longer trucks on that line. I think I will wait to do the skateboard trucks set up. I havent quiite yet been sk8n a year and think it will be another year before I start doing really cool tricks. So by then I want a really great set up for grinding too.

I think you will have nice ramp skates. The most important thing is to have something to skate with and not to freak out about how to build the optimal setup. As you can see with Irene's skates, this will evolve anyhow. You will learn how to improve your setup by using it.
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irene: Pict 3nd try (4. Sep. 2007 15:56)
 : : : You don't even need to have you skates strictly aligned with your feet if you do not ride parallel. Side stance rider Holger Sander deliberately has his skates aligned in a way that the strain on his legs is lessend.
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: : How did Holger Sander align his skates? Could you expand upon that?
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: I thought it could be seen on the picture behind the link. How can I describe it better? For side stance, you need to put your skates at an angle of 180 degrees. With normal alignment, you also have to put your feet at that angle. The way Holger constructed his skates, this angle is significantly smaller.
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: : Thanks! What I will probably do since my skates skate great now is just make a line with the inner and outter holes and put the longer trucks on that line. I think I will wait to do the skateboard trucks set up. I havent quiite yet been sk8n a year and think it will be another year before I start doing really cool tricks. So by then I want a really great set up for grinding too.
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: I think you will have nice ramp skates. The most important thing is to have something to skate with and not to freak out about how to build the optimal setup. As you can see with Irene's skates, this will evolve anyhow. You will learn how to improve your setup by using it.

Very well stated. Thanks, Bernhard.
keep rollin'

irene
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claudine: Thank you! :-) (4. Sep. 2007 16:25)
 : I thought it could be seen on the picture behind the link. How can I describe it better? For side stance, you need to put your skates at an angle of 180 degrees. With normal alignment, you also have to put your feet at that angle. The way Holger constructed his skates, this angle is significantly smaller.
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I see it clearly now! I was looking at his plates, not his "boot." That would be a much easier set up for sidestance for sure. Yep, I get it!!

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: I think you will have nice ramp skates. The most important thing is to have something to skate with and not to freak out about how to build the optimal setup. As you can see with Irene's skates, this will evolve anyhow. You will learn how to improve your setup by using it.

I guess this is a lengthy and expensive process since what works for you, might not work for me and vice versa. Having a problem with pads too since I'm so tiny. Most knee pads are too wide and long for me it seems lol.

Yeah, from skating on my current set up I've realized a longer plate would help. I guess in time I'll discover about grind plates, larger trucks, angles, etc. Thanks again!
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Bernhard: Thank you! :-) (4. Sep. 2007 16:38)
 : I see it clearly now! I was looking at his plates, not his "boot." That would be a much easier set up for sidestance for sure. Yep, I get it!!

I'm glad I could get it over this time. You should see Holger skating in person. I think he would be quite an inspiration to you!

: I guess this is a lengthy and expensive process since what works for you, might not work for me and vice versa. Having a problem with pads too since I'm so tiny. Most knee pads are too wide and long for me it seems lol.
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: Yeah, from skating on my current set up I've realized a longer plate would help. I guess in time I'll discover about grind plates, larger trucks, angles, etc. Thanks again!

Yep. It's trial and error for all of us. I think that's a part of what makes each success so satisfying.
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claudine: Thank you! :-) (4. Sep. 2007 22:00)
 
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: I'm glad I could get it over this time. You should see Holger skating in person. I think he would be quite an inspiration to you!
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Yeah, just was tired last night so didnt look at the boot part but that eases me with being so accurate with the plates. As long as both are the same and if anything, have the wheels going out a touch to make sidestance easier. Now hopefully Lisa can give me a plate size so I can do this!

Hey, have any videos of him sk8n? He has such an interesting set up. Like to see how it works in action! I hope one day I have some money. I want to focus mostly on street and vert. I would love to try different set ups and grind plates. I wish I knew how to contact Brain W. I LOVE his plates!! I've learned so much from this forum, thanks.
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claudine: Oh wow, my current plates ARENT right! (4. Sep. 2007 22:18)
 I checked out my current plates. The wheels go inward. I guess they were placed for speed. When I put on my new plates, I will have it so it goes more outward. I might be able to do sidestance just with that adjustment! At the widest part of the foot, its a good mm or 2 in!! I had no idea......... It should at least be center. Now I get it.

THANK YOU! Now I feel safer doing it myself since I can see it. Just need to make sure I drill straight lol. Hopefully if I go slow I will get that right.
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Bernhard: Oh wow, my current plates ARENT right! (4. Sep. 2007 22:42)
 : THANK YOU! Now I feel safer doing it myself since I can see it. Just need to make sure I drill straight lol. Hopefully if I go slow I will get that right.

It's good to have straight holes in your shoe. Maybe I will get mine straight some day. Would make getting the shoes off and on the plated so much easier. At least now I have a power drill. I used to drill my holes with a file or a gimlet. With the power drill it is so much easier. But also easy to drill too far.
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Bernhard: Thank you! :-) (4. Sep. 2007 22:55)
 : Hey, have any videos of him sk8n?

You can see him on the AirAttack video which you can find on Rene Hulgreen's web site. He is also the roller skater on the cover of the video. His set-up was more conventional back then. He has also posted a video about his travel to Barbados here in the forum.

: I wish I knew how to contact Brain W. I LOVE his plates!!

You can find his email address here in the forum.

: I've learned so much from this forum, thanks.

I am glad to hear this. I am happy that there are more roller skaters out there.
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claudine: Thank you! :-) (5. Sep. 2007 06:33)
 : : Hey, have any videos of him sk8n?
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: You can see him on the AirAttack video which you can find on Rene Hulgreen's web site. He is also the roller skater on the cover of the video. His set-up was more conventional back then. He has also posted a video about his travel to Barbados here in the forum.
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: : I wish I knew how to contact Brain W. I LOVE his plates!!
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: You can find his email address here in the forum.
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: : I've learned so much from this forum, thanks.
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: I am glad to hear this. I am happy that there are more roller skaters out there.

Lisa told me some of the derby girls are messing around at the skateparks. Just I think they are just doing some simple incline stuff, nothing serious. I hope one day there is another newbie delving into it like me! I dont want to see this sport die.

Another problem I will have is that if I want a full length plate, it will go beyong my boot. Ugh.......
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zorg: OUPS!!! important correction please (5. Sep. 2007 11:00)
 In my previous post I mixed up something:
This is right:
"The front of the shoe is centered such as the seen from the top, the front sides of the shoe are at equal distance from the front wheels"
I mixed up the following:
-this is reversed and wrong (sorry): "resulting in a front axis of the shoe about 1cm outside the axis of the plate..."
-the correct one is: "resulting in a front axis of the plate about 1cm outside the axis of the shoe"
This helps for right/left balance for both sidestance and parallel.
The heel block size is also important:
- "higher", better for parallell, help pumping, as you can flex more frontside with heel block than without
- "lower to negative", better for sidestance, as you get more outside rotation max feet angle when you stand on your heels, toes up.
Now you have to find a compromise for doing both, for me, it's 1cm heel size for my ramp setup (never bend the sole of the shoe).
Again sorry for the mix, and a drawing to illustrate it:

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