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Robert: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (28. Jun. 2006 02:17)
 My title was very deceiving. It was such a coincidence because I was thinking how inline skaters and skateboarders have this huge rivalry. I remember skating with skateboarders from the beginning. You could only find a few vert rollerskaters and the rest were skateboarders. They were always my friends and very supportive. I had the privelege of skating with Eric Grishim a pro with Variflex. I skated with Burt Lamar who was really good. There were many locals that just ripped, but if it were not for skateboarders, I would have never had a place to skate. I did plenty of skateboarding in college, but never did the vert thing. I wonder where this comes from? It seems we are all old enough to remember the good old days where nobody judged and we all had fun. I am writing this because I read an old forum from a year ago about a guy bashing inline skaters. He called them fruit booters. I have rollerskated and inline skated and that is just so odd to me. It is all about the love of getting extreme or just having fun. I am sure everyone on here will agree because you are all oldschool. I was twelve years old skating vert on my rollerskates while some of you were a few years older. Back then, the age difference seemed huge. I was this young kid and skated with 16 and 17 year olds. It is funny how once you get older the age difference is nothing. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I have great memories skating with skateboarders. There are also a few guys out there that can roller/inline and still rip on a skateboard. I skated with Martin Broice in Germany and he ripped on a skateboard and on rollerskates. I remember Micky Alba who was a pro skateboarder got on skates and ripped. I met Toto Ghali Ten years ago in Marsaille France and he was ripping on a skateboard. He did not use his quads because he had a huge hole in his knee. Well, he did skate with me for a bit and he ripped so hard. He was wearing no pads and doing 540's. I think the new generation of kids are respectful and are having fun. I think there is that generation right behind us that don't have a clue. I am so proud that my godson who is six is skateboarding and is dropping in. His dad is my bestfriend from junior high. He never ripped, but he is out there with his son. I think the kids now are different then we were and a lot different than the generation before them. We now have kids being mentored by people like us. It's really cool. I love seeing young kids skateboarding and trying to olly. I love skateboarding, but I just happened to be better and rollerskating. Obviously, I don't have to preach respect to anyone here. It seems the oldschool skaters have experienced the best of times and none of us have that lame hatred. I guess I am a fruitbooter, quad skater, and old school street skateboarder. It is all good and I am glad to be here. Thanks for all of the great advice I have gotten on here. I never really had the opportunity to skate with other rollerskaters so just had to learn by myself. I did learn from Paul Votava and he was probably the only one. I would guess he is out there somewhere.

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Chris: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (28. Jun. 2006 15:10)
 Hi Robert,

I skate with a Rollerskater nearly every vert session. His name is Jochen Biel, and he keeps the GreenRamp alive. I call him my friend.
We also have several vert inliners who regularly skate our ramp who I call my friends and I am having fun with them. I totally dig vert rollerskating, but I do not like vert inline skating. It just does not seem right. I looks so..............I donīīt know what to call it.

I always say: "You can only grind trucks, not shoes"

I hate it when they wax metal coping, it is just dangerous. I (usually) donīt dis them or anything. I live with them, they are around.
I can also say, that I have done some things for vert rollerskating as I was the co-organiser for a lot of GreenRampJams.
Vert inline skating saved our ramp when skateboardig was down.
Just to let you know.

Snakeboarding is a lot worse...............
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Bernhard: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (28. Jun. 2006 23:41)
 In my experience the relationship between skateboarder and roller skaters (I insist on this term and refuse to use the term quads) has alway been more relaxed than the relationship between roller skaters and inline skaters. It is a bit strange since the first generation of inline skaters in Europe consisted mostly of roller skaters riding the hype and switching to inline skates. There was a second generation of inline skaters without roots in roller skating or in skateboarding who got in because of the hype and a third generation of inline kids with parents who had no connection to skate culture whatsoever. That's also the reason why I don't like the term "quad". Although descriptive, it beacame popular by inline skaters using it to destinguish the old fashioned roller skates from their new and hip inline skate. The inline skating hype came and went too fast to gain any roots (well, not true entirely, but I definitely believe the market had been heated up too much artificially so that it just had to collapse). Maybe it will come back and develop its own culture which would be nice. We will see. Maybe we will find back to an attitude were fun and respect are more important than hype and dissing people using some different device to ride a ramp.

Maybe you can explain the term "fruit booters" to me? I have the impression that it is disrespectful, but why?

I also remember the times when the scene here consisted of skateboarders, BMXers and roller skaters, when it didn't matter if you were a litte kid, a youth or a grown up and when you could do "add a trick" contest among skateboarders and roller skaters and just have plain fun.

BTW.: The city in France you were writing about is called Marseille and the German roller skater is Martin Broich. He definitely was a very influential roller skater in the old days who ripped very hard.
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RollerSkater Dave: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (29. Jun. 2006 02:59)
 : Maybe you can explain the term "fruit booters" to me? I have the impression that it is disrespectful, but why?
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"Fruit booters" was a term coined in the 70's. It had a lot to do with the lavish or "gay looking" outfits a lot of the roller disco skaters would wear. In North America people in general have a tendency to put down others who don't look or follow the norm. You folks in Europe are a lot more "anything goes" than we are.
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Robert: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (29. Jun. 2006 03:31)
 I agree with you 100%. I remember the days when I skated in ASPO, which was a contest serious here in Southern California. We had skateboarders, mens and women's rollerskating, and I think BMX. I can't remember because it was so long ago. I was about 12 years old and remember skating a capsule pool with Tony Hawk. He was riding a little freestyle board for fun and he was doing frontside rock 'n' rolls. This capsule had a huge channel and I remember both of us trying to cross it. I can't remember if either did. I would guess he did. lol The reason I got Martins last name wrong was because I hung out with him in Munster Germany and he gave me his address and could not read his writing. I was fortunate to skate with him at an indoor park and he took me too the famous pool, which I am sure I will be wrong, but think it was the monster bowl or something. This guy was skateboarding this huge pool with no pads and barefoot. He took me out to a club one night and it was quite and experience. First he was kind enough to let me share a home cooked meal made by his mother. Then we went to a club. Let's just say I was hurting the next day. The way you talk about him is as if he is no longer alive. Is this true? I remember him being a really nice guy, but if you got on his bad side, he was pretty intimidating. lol I just remember driving in his old mercedes and getting pulled over by the police. I was a little freaked out because I don't speak German and after it was over, he said it was no big deal and we hit the club. This was during a Europe trip I took with my inline skates. I met so man cool rollerskaters. I met the coolest and most talented rollerskaters in Spain. They were very gracious to me and one younger kid took me to his house and showed me a video of the best rollerskater I have ever seen. I can't remember his name but he was doing every flip variation I have ever seen. Have you been to Marsaille? I hope I did not screw up the spelling again. I was staying at a little pension and had it was quite hard to find at first. That place was amazing. I was a bit old at that time, but there were at least 40 kids hanging out on the grassy hills and some really cool rollerskaters. That was the best trip of my life. It was pretty tiring carry my back pack and all of my skate equiptment. I must have broken about 5 wheels skating that pool. That is the first place I ever landed a Mctwist or 540 flip. I never had the opportunity to really ever skate with other rollerskaters. I had heard about Duke Rennie, but never saw him skate. I saw Fred Blood twice, but other than that it was just me with all skateboarders. I always thought after the skateparks all died that I was one of the only rollerskaters left. It is great to know that through web we can all connect. I had my third day rollerskating today after 14 years and it is coming back. I imagine that I will hit the skateparks with in a month. My tricks are a bit old, but I assume that i will still do front and back flips and layback airs. I can't wait to get back out there.

Robert



: In my experience the relationship between skateboarder and roller skaters (I insist on this term and refuse to use the term quads) has alway been more relaxed than the relationship between roller skaters and inline skaters. It is a bit strange since the first generation of inline skaters in Europe consisted mostly of roller skaters riding the hype and switching to inline skates. There was a second generation of inline skaters without roots in roller skating or in skateboarding who got in because of the hype and a third generation of inline kids with parents who had no connection to skate culture whatsoever. That's also the reason why I don't like the term "quad". Although descriptive, it beacame popular by inline skaters using it to destinguish the old fashioned roller skates from their new and hip inline skate. The inline skating hype came and went too fast to gain any roots (well, not true entirely, but I definitely believe the market had been heated up too much artificially so that it just had to collapse). Maybe it will come back and develop its own culture which would be nice. We will see. Maybe we will find back to an attitude were fun and respect are more important than hype and dissing people using some different device to ride a ramp.
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: Maybe you can explain the term "fruit booters" to me? I have the impression that it is disrespectful, but why?
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: I also remember the times when the scene here consisted of skateboarders, BMXers and roller skaters, when it didn't matter if you were a litte kid, a youth or a grown up and when you could do "add a trick" contest among skateboarders and roller skaters and just have plain fun.
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: BTW.: The city in France you were writing about is called Marseille and the German roller skater is Martin Broich. He definitely was a very influential roller skater in the old days who ripped very hard.
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Bernhard: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (29. Jun. 2006 08:07)
 : In North America people in general have a tendency to put down others who don't look or follow the norm. You folks in Europe are a lot more "anything goes" than we are.

I experience this "follow the norm" attitude a lot here in Germany. Back when I started roller skating it was an activity for little girls. You just didn't roller skate when you were an adult. Showing off an expensive bicycle was OK, however. In Switzerland I experienced people as being much more relaxed. Expecially in city which are situated at a lake (which is the case for almost all Swiss cities).
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Bernhard: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (29. Jun. 2006 15:32)
 Thanks for sharing your experience with Martin Broich. Some years ago a friend of him called Olli posted a message in this forum where he told us that Martin wanted to dig up some pics for us. Didn't happen till now but lets keep hoping. I didn't want to raise the impression that he's not alive anymore. In fact, I just don't know, since I haven't seen him for years.

: I met the coolest and most talented rollerskaters in Spain. They were very gracious to me and one younger kid took me to his house and showed me a video of the best rollerskater I have ever seen. I can't remember his name but he was doing every flip variation I have ever seen.

Could this be Marcos Longares (see pciture)?

: Have you been to Marsaille? I hope I did not screw up the spelling again.

Marseille, Marseille, Marseille. No, I have never been there. I did see some of those crazy roller skaters from there in Lausanne, however. I can confirm that they prefer to skate really hard without pads.

: I had heard about Duke Rennie, but never saw him skate.

I was fortunate enough to meet him at Camp Woodward in 2004. He is really very good.

: I always thought after the skateparks all died that I was one of the only rollerskaters left. It is great to know that through web we can all connect.

I believed that I was the last one, too. I would never have imagined in my wildest dreams what would become of this site when I created my very first web page on how to build a vertical roller skate back in 1999. I had the very feeble hope that someone would maybe be interested in building a pair of roller skates. Never would I have imagined that all those great roller skaters would connect via this forum. Thanks to Brian Wainwright who encouraged me to create this forum and thanks to all of you for using it and for sharing your thoughts. This site would be nothing without all the great people meeting here.

: I had my third day rollerskating today after 14 years and it is coming back. I imagine that I will hit the skateparks with in a month. My tricks are a bit old, but I assume that i will still do front and back flips and layback airs. I can't wait to get back out there.

I think it doesn't matter how old your tricks are. Skating vert is spectacular in any way. Keep it up and don't hurt yourself.
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Robert: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (29. Jun. 2006 18:01)
 I really don't remember the name of that skater, but that is an awesome picture. I am sitting here at work thinking about skating. It is so crazy because I have so many skateparks near me. I would guess with in a 60 mile radius there are at least six. I can't wait to start skating all of these different parks. I still have a ways to go.

: Thanks for sharing your experience with Martin Broich. Some years ago a friend of him called Olli posted a message in this forum where he told us that Martin wanted to dig up some pics for us. Didn't happen till now but lets keep hoping. I didn't want to raise the impression that he's not alive anymore. In fact, I just don't know, since I haven't seen him for years.
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: : I met the coolest and most talented rollerskaters in Spain. They were very gracious to me and one younger kid took me to his house and showed me a video of the best rollerskater I have ever seen. I can't remember his name but he was doing every flip variation I have ever seen.
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: Could this be Marcos Longares (see pciture)?
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: : Have you been to Marsaille? I hope I did not screw up the spelling again.
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: Marseille, Marseille, Marseille. No, I have never been there. I did see some of those crazy roller skaters from there in Lausanne, however. I can confirm that they prefer to skate really hard without pads.
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: : I had heard about Duke Rennie, but never saw him skate.
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: I was fortunate enough to meet him at Camp Woodward in 2004. He is really very good.
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: : I always thought after the skateparks all died that I was one of the only rollerskaters left. It is great to know that through web we can all connect.
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: I believed that I was the last one, too. I would never have imagined in my wildest dreams what would become of this site when I created my very first web page on how to build a vertical roller skate back in 1999. I had the very feeble hope that someone would maybe be interested in building a pair of roller skates. Never would I have imagined that all those great roller skaters would connect via this forum. Thanks to Brain Wainwright who encouraged me to create this forum and thanks to all of you for using it and for sharing your thoughts. This site would be nothing without all the great people meeting here.
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: : I had my third day rollerskating today after 14 years and it is coming back. I imagine that I will hit the skateparks with in a month. My tricks are a bit old, but I assume that i will still do front and back flips and layback airs. I can't wait to get back out there.
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: I think it doesn't matter how old your tricks are. Skating vert is spectacular in any way. Keep it up and don't hurt yourself.
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irene: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (29. Jun. 2006 22:01)
 Here in the eastcoast the term meant that inlining was gay or fruity and that they should be skateboarding instead, although skateboarders felt comfortable with rollerskaters. Go figure? If you're on wheels...go roll around and have fun.
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Bernhard: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (29. Jun. 2006 23:15)
 In Germany "fruity" has (as far as I know) no gay connotation whatsoever. I think I have to try calling an inline "Fruchtstiefler" sometime and see how he reacts. ;-)

: Here in the eastcoast the term meant that inlining was gay or fruity and that they should be skateboarding instead, although skateboarders felt comfortable with rollerskaters. Go figure? If you're on wheels...go roll around and have fun.

Rollerskaters seem to be among the most tolerant people on wheels. I guess it also has to do with only so few of them being there. They can't afford a war on one of the bigger groups so they have to get along with the others. It's similar with the snakeboarders. I also never saw a snakeboarder dissing a skateboarder, inline skater or roller skater.
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Robert: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (30. Jun. 2006 05:00)
 Hi all,

I started this thread because of what someone said in a thread that I read. My whole point was that we all do what we love and should appreciate the skills of others. I guess that us old farts get it, but we need to teach the youngsters. Actually, we need to teach the generation before them. I guess it really does not matter, but I was a fruit booter and anything else they may have called us rollerskaters. I don't remember hearing that stuff because back then people just loved to skate. I am definitely not on a mission, but I think we need to teach these youngsters a little respect for which they are benefiting. They are blessed with concrete skateparks everytwhere and in most cases do not even have to pay. I used to just show up and skate, but if I run into a snot nosed kid with an attitude, I just may give him a little history and let him know how lucky he is. lol

: Here in the eastcoast the term meant that inlining was gay or fruity and that they should be skateboarding instead, although skateboarders felt comfortable with rollerskaters. Go figure? If you're on wheels...go roll around and have fun.
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Bernhard: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (30. Jun. 2006 11:02)
 : I really don't remember the name of that skater, but that is an awesome picture.

Thank you. I shot it with a small Olympus XA3 camera back then. Nowadays I mostly use a bigger equipment but I also have two Olympus XA cameras because it is such a great little camera.

: I am sitting here at work thinking about skating. It is so crazy because I have so many skateparks near me. I would guess with in a 60 mile radius there are at least six.

Lucky you. They tore down my two favorite ramps which were in a 20 kilometer radius near me. Couldn't skate them at the moment, anyhow.

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Bernhard: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (30. Jun. 2006 11:06)
 : I started this thread because of what someone said in a thread that I read. My whole point was that we all do what we love and should appreciate the skills of others. I guess that us old farts get it, but we need to teach the youngsters.

I don't know. I think the whole atmosphere has been more relaxed in the older days and this didn't depend very much in the age. I think the times have changed. I also know some old fart skateboarders who are very intolerant towards anybody not skateboarding. Maybe they will get softer with age. Lets wait for another 30 years and see. But I totally agree with you that we should preach more tolerance to the kids. Hopefully they will listen.

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irene: Skateboarders vs Eightwheelers (30. Jun. 2006 18:50)
 I think we have the unique opportunity as rollerskaters to school the younger crowd since we attract their attention, cuz rollerskates are a new thing to them. We can remind them how lucky they are that skaters past have set the path for them with modern parks and tricks that have evolved over generations. The dedication to travel great distances to skate a backyard ramp, making the time when it was okay to skate it. To trespass to ride an empty pool, when there was nothing else to skate. We'd heist plywood from contruction sites just to build a quarter pipe, rolling down the streets at nite, 4x8s on our skateboards. But that's what made it fun and memorable. Kids had more respect for the established skaters at local spots and had to earn their place. Now it's lotsa spoiled brat attitude. Kids have too many toys and master none of them. I love kids that just love to skate and think of nothing else. No fears, peer pressure, equipment jabber....just shut up and skate. Fun times.... that's what its all about.

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: : I started this thread because of what someone said in a thread that I read. My whole point was that we all do what we love and should appreciate the skills of others. I guess that us old farts get it, but we need to teach the youngsters.
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: I don't know. I think the whole atmosphere has been more relaxed in the older days and this didn't depend very much in the age. I think the times have changed. I also know some old fart skateboarders who are very intolerant towards anybody not skateboarding. Maybe they will get softer with age. Lets wait for another 30 years and see. But I totally agree with you that we should preach more tolerance to the kids. Hopefully they will listen.
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Robert: Irene, I have a question (1. Jul. 2006 22:56)
 Irene, it is so cool to see a woman that is in her 40's skating. When I skated aspo about twenty years ago, there were some really good and nice women that skated. I was twelve so I could not appreciate the dynamic atmosphere that was going on. I just skated and that was it. I read how Rollergirl made some jump bars or plates for you. I am skating on my old school skates that seem to be the norm for these days with non vert skaters. I have a magnum plate. Can the bar fit my plate? I am guessing the size matters. I think this plate is a 7. I am not in a hurry, but my new goal in life is to skate with old school people like me and experience the things I should have twenty years ago.





: Here in the eastcoast the term meant that inlining was gay or fruity and that they should be skateboarding instead, although skateboarders felt comfortable with rollerskaters. Go figure? If you're on wheels...go roll around and have fun.
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RollerSkater Dave: Irene, I have a question (2. Jul. 2006 01:39)
 : I read how Rollergirl made some jump bars or plates for you. I am skating on my old school skates that seem to be the norm for these days with non vert skaters. I have a magnum plate. Can the bar fit my plate? I am guessing the size matters. I think this plate is a 7. :
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The kingpin angle on your plates (around 45 degrees) is different from the angle of double action plates (around 10 to 15 degrees) that the grind bars are made for. Lisa would have to custom make them to fit your plates. You can give her a shout at
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irene: Irene, I have a question (8. Jul. 2006 18:27)
  I am skating on my old school skates that seem to be the norm for these days with non vert skaters. I have a magnum plate. Can the bar fit my plate? I am guessing the size matters. I think this plate is a 7. I am not in a hurry, but my new goal in life is to skate with old school people like me and experience the things I should have twenty years ago.
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Rob,
I'm not familiar with your Magnum plates. The grindbars fit well on my ACS 580 setup. Get in touch with Rollergirl, she's great to work with. A pic of your skates would help evaluate what could work for you.
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irene: Irene, I have a question (8. Jul. 2006 18:32)
 The front /back means nose/tail in skateboard lingo, since I side-surf (rollerskate heel-to-heel).
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Robert: Irene, I have a question (13. Jul. 2006 02:50)
 : The front /back means nose/tail in skateboard lingo, since I side-surf (rollerskate heel-to-heel).

Thanks Irene. Can you tell me her website again?
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irene: Irene, I have a question (14. Jul. 2006 02:58)
 Can you tell me her website again?

http://www.rollergirl.ca/usdcart/index.php/cPath/25
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Robert: Irene, I have a question (14. Jul. 2006 15:06)
 Thanks!



: Can you tell me her website again?
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: http://www.rollergirl.ca/usdcart/index.php/cPath/25
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