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Message 3895 (1. Nov. 2007 16:09) (Tree)

claudine
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Slider Design
: Joe, I think you are completely right. Irene's idea also looks very unstable to me. I had basically the same, but with wood beneath it to take the pressure. It still wasn't stable enough so I changed my setup in the way I described. But your's sure it way lighter. The spanish construction also seems to be reasonably light.

Which one is the spanish construction? I think Joes looks light but I never cut metal. I hope mine will be stable and not too heavy. I am using 3/4" plastic. But the center is totally hollow now. I hope they only add 1/4lb. to each skate.
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Irene: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 00:22)
 This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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claudine: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 00:55)
 : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?

Thanks Irene, glad its not just ME thats slider obsessed. (nice illustrator job!) I think mine is going to add 1/4 lb to each skate :-( bringing it to about 4 1/4 lbs each. My skates are apart, holes are filled, and my knee is feeling stable so I'm in a hurry for ideas!

Mine will be like yours but the bolts will be covered in the plastic, the plastic is 3/4" wide and I will make a 2 inch wide v that goes down 1/4" between the bolts. I might have to stick with this now, if so I will post the weight and design.

My concern on your design would be the nuts would crack. I dont know enough yet to have any real knowledge or experience with this or if spacers would solve the problem without much added weight. If you do it and they dont, LET ME KNOW! I'm super light but I seem to burn through rubber nonetheless and I smashed those jump bars in in no time.

Is wood lighter then plastic? I can post another idea if so. I thought those rails being hollow that I posted might be light. I thought I could cut some short and stack them up the bolts. They have plastic pieces to elevate trucks which you could stack up the center and add sliders too. I donno lol. Just throwing out ideas hoping for input. If I had MONEY, I would buy everything, figure out weights/strength and test stuff out til something worked. I think I'll continue at the gym so my skates feel like feathers on my feet lol.

Sorry Irene, hope others have better input then me. Thanks for posting tho!
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Robert: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 02:24)
 Hi Irene and Claudine,

I have recently made a lot of contacts that are Industrial Designers, Mechanical Engineers etc. It looks like you both know your stuff, but I am sure if you have any design questions that I could forward them on to the people I know. I am slowly starting to understand the process of product development, which is way beyong the scope of making some custom stuff, but I would be happy to ask some folks about it. I would never know what to ask, but I am sure if you pass along any questions I could get a good answer. It has only been three months, but I am a recruiter for the Action Sports Industy and currenty am working with footware designers, engineers, etc. I know that building a product for a company is very complex, but I am sure I could get some valuable advice for you, if I know what to ask. I will fish around a bit and see what I can come up with. I am sure these people would be more than happy to help, since I spend all day long trying to find them jobs designing shoes, snowboard boots, bindings etc.

: : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
:
: Thanks Irene, glad its not just ME thats slider obsessed. (nice illustrator job!) I think mine is going to add 1/4 lb to each skate :-( bringing it to about 4 1/4 lbs each. My skates are apart, holes are filled, and my knee is feeling stable so I'm in a hurry for ideas!
:
: Mine will be like yours but the bolts will be covered in the plastic, the plastic is 3/4" wide and I will make a 2 inch wide v that goes down 1/4" between the bolts. I might have to stick with this now, if so I will post the weight and design.
:
: My concern on your design would be the nuts would crack. I dont know enough yet to have any real knowledge or experience with this or if spacers would solve the problem without much added weight. If you do it and they dont, LET ME KNOW! I'm super light but I seem to burn through rubber nonetheless and I smashed those jump bars in in no time.
:
: Is wood lighter then plastic? I can post another idea if so. I thought those rails being hollow that I posted might be light. I thought I could cut some short and stack them up the bolts. They have plastic pieces to elevate trucks which you could stack up the center and add sliders too. I donno lol. Just throwing out ideas hoping for input. If I had MONEY, I would buy everything, figure out weights/strength and test stuff out til something worked. I think I'll continue at the gym so my skates feel like feathers on my feet lol.
:
: Sorry Irene, hope others have better input then me. Thanks for posting tho!
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claudine: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 03:11)
 I guess the main questions are weight and strength? How to cut weight, minimize material and not break! For me, I am adding an element so I can clasp onto rails. I want to show those inliners off bad lol. I think Irenes design is sweet, but would the bolts break, if so what is needed?

: Hi Irene and Claudine,
:
: I have recently made a lot of contacts that are Industrial Designers, Mechanical Engineers etc. It looks like you both know your stuff, but I am sure if you have any design questions that I could forward them on to the people I know. I am slowly starting to understand the process of product development, which is way beyong the scope of making some custom stuff, but I would be happy to ask some folks about it. I would never know what to ask, but I am sure if you pass along any questions I could get a good answer. It has only been three months, but I am a recruiter for the Action Sports Industy and currenty am working with footware designers, engineers, etc. I know that building a product for a company is very complex, but I am sure I could get some valuable advice for you, if I know what to ask. I will fish around a bit and see what I can come up with. I am sure these people would be more than happy to help, since I spend all day long trying to find them jobs designing shoes, snowboard boots, bindings etc.
:
: : : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
: :
: : Thanks Irene, glad its not just ME thats slider obsessed. (nice illustrator job!) I think mine is going to add 1/4 lb to each skate :-( bringing it to about 4 1/4 lbs each. My skates are apart, holes are filled, and my knee is feeling stable so I'm in a hurry for ideas!
: :
: : Mine will be like yours but the bolts will be covered in the plastic, the plastic is 3/4" wide and I will make a 2 inch wide v that goes down 1/4" between the bolts. I might have to stick with this now, if so I will post the weight and design.
: :
: : My concern on your design would be the nuts would crack. I dont know enough yet to have any real knowledge or experience with this or if spacers would solve the problem without much added weight. If you do it and they dont, LET ME KNOW! I'm super light but I seem to burn through rubber nonetheless and I smashed those jump bars in in no time.
: :
: : Is wood lighter then plastic? I can post another idea if so. I thought those rails being hollow that I posted might be light. I thought I could cut some short and stack them up the bolts. They have plastic pieces to elevate trucks which you could stack up the center and add sliders too. I donno lol. Just throwing out ideas hoping for input. If I had MONEY, I would buy everything, figure out weights/strength and test stuff out til something worked. I think I'll continue at the gym so my skates feel like feathers on my feet lol.
: :
: : Sorry Irene, hope others have better input then me. Thanks for posting tho!
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joe90: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 03:29)
 Hey Irene I think that slider setup could be quite unstable just by the sheer height of it and the amount of sideways presure on them while sliding.I still think for weight,price and ease of build the setup I posted of my skates would be prety hard to beat.Dont want to sound like a selfritius wanker,but they worked out a treat in every way,and you can set up the rails at any height and profile you care to cut them at.Just my opinion,I'm prety exited about them still.

cheers joe
: This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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Bernhard: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 08:11)
 Joe, I think you are completely right. Irene's idea also looks very unstable to me. I had basically the same, but with wood beneath it to take the pressure. It still wasn't stable enough so I changed my setup in the way I described. But your's sure it way lighter. The spanish construction also seems to be reasonably light.
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claudine: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 16:09)
 : Joe, I think you are completely right. Irene's idea also looks very unstable to me. I had basically the same, but with wood beneath it to take the pressure. It still wasn't stable enough so I changed my setup in the way I described. But your's sure it way lighter. The spanish construction also seems to be reasonably light.

Which one is the spanish construction? I think Joes looks light but I never cut metal. I hope mine will be stable and not too heavy. I am using 3/4" plastic. But the center is totally hollow now. I hope they only add 1/4lb. to each skate.
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Bernhard: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 16:39)
 : The spanish construction also seems to be reasonably light.
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: Which one is the spanish construction?

I mean this one.

: I think Joes looks light but I never cut metal. I hope mine will be stable and not too heavy. I am using 3/4" plastic. But the center is totally hollow now. I hope they only add 1/4lb. to each skate.

The weight of my skates would probably kill you. ;-)
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claudine: Slider Design (1. Nov. 2007 17:18)
 Ah yes, bravo!! Thats similar to MINE! :-D I already ordered the plastic so I'm waiting. Just hope my jigsaw will do the job ok. I am going to take it slow.

Yes, I think you have a nice design, just I want my skates to weigh less then I do lol. :-P I think with my size, super stable is not as necessary so I am going to hollow out the piece on the plate too. I dont know how heavy it will be, guessing 4 ounces each skate? maybe more....

But: : The spanish construction also seems to be reasonably light.
: :
: : Which one is the spanish construction?
:
: I mean this one.
:
: : I think Joes looks light but I never cut metal. I hope mine will be stable and not too heavy. I am using 3/4" plastic. But the center is totally hollow now. I hope they only add 1/4lb. to each skate.
:
: The weight of my skates would probably kill you. ;-)
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irene: Slider Design (2. Nov. 2007 00:36)
 Yo Joe, I like your design cept I don't have access to a machine shop. Is that material you used aluminium? Did you bend the right angles yurself? It's cool to have it all in one piece. If I could machine my own stuff, it would've been done long ago. Thanx

: Hey Irene I think that slider setup could be quite unstable just by the sheer height of it and the amount of sideways presure on them while sliding.I still think for weight,price and ease of build the setup I posted of my skates would be prety hard to beat.Dont want to sound like a selfritius wanker,but they worked out a treat in every way,and you can set up the rails at any height and profile you care to cut them at.Just my opinion,I'm prety exited about them still.
:
: cheers joe
: : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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Robert: Slider Design (2. Nov. 2007 02:12)
 You all amaze me. I love seeing all of these amazing ideas.

: Yo Joe, I like your design cept I don't have access to a machine shop. Is that material you used aluminium? Did you bend the right angles yurself? It's cool to have it all in one piece. If I could machine my own stuff, it would've been done long ago. Thanx
:
: : Hey Irene I think that slider setup could be quite unstable just by the sheer height of it and the amount of sideways presure on them while sliding.I still think for weight,price and ease of build the setup I posted of my skates would be prety hard to beat.Dont want to sound like a selfritius wanker,but they worked out a treat in every way,and you can set up the rails at any height and profile you care to cut them at.Just my opinion,I'm prety exited about them still.
: :
: : cheers joe
: : : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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joe90: Slider Design (2. Nov. 2007 07:15)
 Hey Robert the material is aluminium,I got it as an off cut for 5 bucks and cut it in my back yard with a cheap jigsaw on a milk crate,that's not an atempt to sound cool but hopefily a little inspiration to get folks fired up on not only thinking up, but making there new ideas,and at the price,,who gives a shit if you mess it up.

By the by,when you skated for Bauer,was that the same era as Paul Malina?
hope your neck and shoulders are easing up dood.

cheers joe

ps: I swear one day wer'e all gonna get together for a huge sesh, looking well forward to that.
take it easy

: You all amaze me. I love seeing all of these amazing ideas.
:
: : Yo Joe, I like your design cept I don't have access to a machine shop. Is that material you used aluminium? Did you bend the right angles yurself? It's cool to have it all in one piece. If I could machine my own stuff, it would've been done long ago. Thanx
: :
: : : Hey Irene I think that slider setup could be quite unstable just by the sheer height of it and the amount of sideways presure on them while sliding.I still think for weight,price and ease of build the setup I posted of my skates would be prety hard to beat.Dont want to sound like a selfritius wanker,but they worked out a treat in every way,and you can set up the rails at any height and profile you care to cut them at.Just my opinion,I'm prety exited about them still.
: : :
: : : cheers joe
: : : : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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Robert: Slider Design (2. Nov. 2007 16:32)
 I can't wait till we all have a chance to skate together. Joe, I did not know Paul. I started skating for Bauer in 1992.

: Hey Robert the material is aluminium,I got it as an off cut for 5 bucks and cut it in my back yard with a cheap jigsaw on a milk crate,that's not an atempt to sound cool but hopefily a little inspiration to get folks fired up on not only thinking up, but making there new ideas,and at the price,,who gives a shit if you mess it up.
:
: By the by,when you skated for Bauer,was that the same era as Paul Malina?
: hope your neck and shoulders are easing up dood.
:
: cheers joe
:
: ps: I swear one day wer'e all gonna get together for a huge sesh, looking well forward to that.
: take it easy
:
: : You all amaze me. I love seeing all of these amazing ideas.
: :
: : : Yo Joe, I like your design cept I don't have access to a machine shop. Is that material you used aluminium? Did you bend the right angles yurself? It's cool to have it all in one piece. If I could machine my own stuff, it would've been done long ago. Thanx
: : :
: : : : Hey Irene I think that slider setup could be quite unstable just by the sheer height of it and the amount of sideways presure on them while sliding.I still think for weight,price and ease of build the setup I posted of my skates would be prety hard to beat.Dont want to sound like a selfritius wanker,but they worked out a treat in every way,and you can set up the rails at any height and profile you care to cut them at.Just my opinion,I'm prety exited about them still.
: : : :
: : : : cheers joe
: : : : : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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irene: Slider Design (2. Nov. 2007 20:14)
 Did you know a guy named Lee Ettinger?

: I can't wait till we all have a chance to skate together. Joe, I did not know Paul. I started skating for Bauer in 1992.
:
: : Hey Robert the material is aluminium,I got it as an off cut for 5 bucks and cut it in my back yard with a cheap jigsaw on a milk crate,that's not an atempt to sound cool but hopefily a little inspiration to get folks fired up on not only thinking up, but making there new ideas,and at the price,,who gives a shit if you mess it up.
: :
: : By the by,when you skated for Bauer,was that the same era as Paul Malina?
: : hope your neck and shoulders are easing up dood.
: :
: : cheers joe
: :
: : ps: I swear one day wer'e all gonna get together for a huge sesh, looking well forward to that.
: : take it easy
: :
: : : You all amaze me. I love seeing all of these amazing ideas.
: : :
: : : : Yo Joe, I like your design cept I don't have access to a machine shop. Is that material you used aluminium? Did you bend the right angles yurself? It's cool to have it all in one piece. If I could machine my own stuff, it would've been done long ago. Thanx
: : : :
: : : : : Hey Irene I think that slider setup could be quite unstable just by the sheer height of it and the amount of sideways presure on them while sliding.I still think for weight,price and ease of build the setup I posted of my skates would be prety hard to beat.Dont want to sound like a selfritius wanker,but they worked out a treat in every way,and you can set up the rails at any height and profile you care to cut them at.Just my opinion,I'm prety exited about them still.
: : : : :
: : : : : cheers joe
: : : : : : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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Robert: Slider Design (2. Nov. 2007 20:25)
 I am pretty sure I skated with Lee back in the day. I tried contacting him one day, but did not get a reply.

: Did you know a guy named Lee Ettinger?
:
: : I can't wait till we all have a chance to skate together. Joe, I did not know Paul. I started skating for Bauer in 1992.
: :
: : : Hey Robert the material is aluminium,I got it as an off cut for 5 bucks and cut it in my back yard with a cheap jigsaw on a milk crate,that's not an atempt to sound cool but hopefily a little inspiration to get folks fired up on not only thinking up, but making there new ideas,and at the price,,who gives a shit if you mess it up.
: : :
: : : By the by,when you skated for Bauer,was that the same era as Paul Malina?
: : : hope your neck and shoulders are easing up dood.
: : :
: : : cheers joe
: : :
: : : ps: I swear one day wer'e all gonna get together for a huge sesh, looking well forward to that.
: : : take it easy
: : :
: : : : You all amaze me. I love seeing all of these amazing ideas.
: : : :
: : : : : Yo Joe, I like your design cept I don't have access to a machine shop. Is that material you used aluminium? Did you bend the right angles yurself? It's cool to have it all in one piece. If I could machine my own stuff, it would've been done long ago. Thanx
: : : : :
: : : : : : Hey Irene I think that slider setup could be quite unstable just by the sheer height of it and the amount of sideways presure on them while sliding.I still think for weight,price and ease of build the setup I posted of my skates would be prety hard to beat.Dont want to sound like a selfritius wanker,but they worked out a treat in every way,and you can set up the rails at any height and profile you care to cut them at.Just my opinion,I'm prety exited about them still.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : cheers joe
: : : : : : : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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joe90: Slider Design (2. Nov. 2007 22:56)
 I didn,t but my mates recon they knew him.
Oh yea,,Rollerball sent me a copy of the wooward
stuff,,awsome,so an extended thanx to you.
I'd like to see some fotage of you in action as well.

cheers joe

: Did you know a guy named Lee Ettinger?
:
: : I can't wait till we all have a chance to skate together. Joe, I did not know Paul. I started skating for Bauer in 1992.
: :
: : : Hey Robert the material is aluminium,I got it as an off cut for 5 bucks and cut it in my back yard with a cheap jigsaw on a milk crate,that's not an atempt to sound cool but hopefily a little inspiration to get folks fired up on not only thinking up, but making there new ideas,and at the price,,who gives a shit if you mess it up.
: : :
: : : By the by,when you skated for Bauer,was that the same era as Paul Malina?
: : : hope your neck and shoulders are easing up dood.
: : :
: : : cheers joe
: : :
: : : ps: I swear one day wer'e all gonna get together for a huge sesh, looking well forward to that.
: : : take it easy
: : :
: : : : You all amaze me. I love seeing all of these amazing ideas.
: : : :
: : : : : Yo Joe, I like your design cept I don't have access to a machine shop. Is that material you used aluminium? Did you bend the right angles yurself? It's cool to have it all in one piece. If I could machine my own stuff, it would've been done long ago. Thanx
: : : : :
: : : : : : Hey Irene I think that slider setup could be quite unstable just by the sheer height of it and the amount of sideways presure on them while sliding.I still think for weight,price and ease of build the setup I posted of my skates would be prety hard to beat.Dont want to sound like a selfritius wanker,but they worked out a treat in every way,and you can set up the rails at any height and profile you care to cut them at.Just my opinion,I'm prety exited about them still.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : cheers joe
: : : : : : : This is what I had in mind for my new setup. Not sure how it will work, but it's the lightest design so far. Easy on materials, just need long bolts, extra nuts, flat metal plate (for support) goes under the skateboard rails cut to fit, recessed nuts to attach rails. I will try stacking bearing spacers over the long bolts for added support. Thoughts, comments, snide remarks?
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