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Message 2871 (28. Jun. 2007 15:59) (Tree)

claudine
grinds

: Back in "The Old Days" (TM), there have been roller skaters here in Germany who shortened skateboard trucks. They pulled out the axles, sawed off the trucks, shortened the axles, cut new threads on the axles and put them back in the trucks. I have to admit, however, that I never tried such an operation myself. I also can't comment on how feasible it really is.

Sounds more complicated then the bolt idea. Threading is beyond me lol.

Well, one day when I have spare money or spare parts, I will toy with the idea of taking out the axel, putting in a bolt. I'll try out the speed wheels I guess for now unless I can get concrete ideas that sound more feasible. I just enjoy wheels that make NOISE for one! I have some roll-line panthers indoors and they sound like an airplane taking off. Its really cool!

: I have seen people skate the ramp with wheels with grooves in them. So it should be OK. And yes, 85a is way too soft. As I said, for me even 93a is too soft, but you (being feather weight) could get along with it.
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I'm leaning towards the radar tuners if I can get a good price/maybe ebay. They are wide which I might like for now and the tite is about 93a. I could get some super cheap radar demons, 95a, but didnt hear good things about those. I was thinking when I go wide, I could try the more narrow zodiacs. That would give me more area to grind too I guess. The idea of sliding on my plate sounds like fun!
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claudine: grinds (27. Jun. 2007 21:31)
 : : : You have also all kinds of grindings with quads!!!! at the last gathering in Lyon, Nelo showed us many many kinds!!!!
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: : Even on the narrow ramp trucks, I can still do them? I sure hope so! After today, I've decided its quads all the way.
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: The question is: What do you mean by "the narrow ramp trucks"? But you can decide the question very easily: Just put the skates on the coping and see if you can get metal to metal.
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: And congrats on your progress in the ramp!

I'm still pretty excited about my progress! :-D
Here are the ramp trucks I'll be getting:

http://www.rollergirl.ca/usdcart/product_info.php/cPath/25_32/products_id/80

Trucks 2 7/8” - Axles 5 2/8” wide

I'm not getting them until I master all the basics though and I'm ready to do all the grinds. Hopefully soon! :-D But when I get them, I'll certainly test them out.
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Bernhard: grinds (27. Jun. 2007 22:07)
 : : The question is: What do you mean by "the narrow ramp trucks"? But you can decide the question very easily: Just put the skates on the coping and see if you can get metal to metal.
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: : And congrats on your progress in the ramp!
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: I'm still pretty excited about my progress! :-D
: Here are the ramp trucks I'll be getting:
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: http://www.rollergirl.ca/usdcart/product_info.php/cPath/25_32/products_id/80
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: Trucks 2 7/8” - Axles 5 2/8” wide

I see. You won't be able to use skateboard wheels on those narrow trucks, however. This will limit your choice of wheels. But I do understand that you are intimidated by the wider trucks.

You have to try them out and find out what suits you. At one point I riding smaller wheels. I had to change back to a bigger diameter because the small ones wouldn't get me anywhere on a big ramp.


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: I'm not getting them until I master all the basics though and I'm ready to do all the grinds. Hopefully soon! :-D But when I get them, I'll certainly test them out.
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claudine: grinds (28. Jun. 2007 04:24)
 
: : Here are the ramp trucks I'll be getting:
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: : http://www.rollergirl.ca/usdcart/product_info.php/cPath/25_32/products_id/80
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: : Trucks 2 7/8” - Axles 5 2/8” wide
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: I see. You won't be able to use skateboard wheels on those narrow trucks, however. This will limit your choice of wheels. But I do understand that you are intimidated by the wider trucks.
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: You have to try them out and find out what suits you. At one point I riding smaller wheels. I had to change back to a bigger diameter because the small ones wouldn't get me anywhere on a big ramp.


I've been trying to find out if there is a way to make the axels longer so I can use skateboard wheels. The only way I know of so far is to replace the axel with a high strength bolt with a head on one side and a bolt on the other. That I think would ruin my trucks quickly since I would have to remove it if I ever needed to take off a wheel. So I'm not really up for that. I dont think there are longer axels I can put in there, not that I know of. But if there are, I'm listening!

I am leaning towards a speed wheel. Should I use the same hardness that I use indoors? I've been asking around. The ramps are mostly this slick rubber material, but my 85a's sometimes are sticky on transitions. I just dont want to feel like I'm skating on ice! Would a more narrow jam wheel be a good idea too? Some have speed groves in them and not sure if thats a good idea or not.

After messing with the aggressive inline wheels, I def. dont want a small wheel. Doesnt roll well for me either.

Hey, any videos to different quad grinds? I know of some but I would like to see what I can do. I'm not there yet but I got a short rail here and I want to start messing around on it with what I have.

I really LOVE the videos. I'm learning a lot from those. Roller skating is different from skatebaording and inlining, like both and like neither. Mostly all I watch are the boarders. Everyone heres been really nice and helpful!! I think quad skaters are the best. :-D
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Bernhard: grinds (28. Jun. 2007 08:58)
 : I've been trying to find out if there is a way to make the axels longer so I can use skateboard wheels. The only way I know of so far is to replace the axel with a high strength bolt with a head on one side and a bolt on the other. That I think would ruin my trucks quickly since I would have to remove it if I ever needed to take off a wheel. So I'm not really up for that. I dont think there are longer axels I can put in there, not that I know of. But if there are, I'm listening!

Back in "The Old Days" (TM), there have been roller skaters here in Germany who shortened skateboard trucks. They pulled out the axles, sawed off the trucks, shortened the axles, cut new threads on the axles and put them back in the trucks. I have to admit, however, that I never tried such an operation myself. I also can't comment on how feasible it really is.

: I am leaning towards a speed wheel. Should I use the same hardness that I use indoors? I've been asking around. The ramps are mostly this slick rubber material, but my 85a's sometimes are sticky on transitions. I just dont want to feel like I'm skating on ice! Would a more narrow jam wheel be a good idea too? Some have speed groves in them and not sure if thats a good idea or not.

I have seen people skate the ramp with wheels with grooves in them. So it should be OK. And yes, 85a is way too soft. As I said, for me even 93a is too soft, but you (being feather weight) could get along with it.

: After messing with the aggressive inline wheels, I def. dont want a small wheel. Doesnt roll well for me either.

Too narrow, but that's necessary for dry ice skates.

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claudine: grinds (28. Jun. 2007 15:59)
 
: Back in "The Old Days" (TM), there have been roller skaters here in Germany who shortened skateboard trucks. They pulled out the axles, sawed off the trucks, shortened the axles, cut new threads on the axles and put them back in the trucks. I have to admit, however, that I never tried such an operation myself. I also can't comment on how feasible it really is.

Sounds more complicated then the bolt idea. Threading is beyond me lol.

Well, one day when I have spare money or spare parts, I will toy with the idea of taking out the axel, putting in a bolt. I'll try out the speed wheels I guess for now unless I can get concrete ideas that sound more feasible. I just enjoy wheels that make NOISE for one! I have some roll-line panthers indoors and they sound like an airplane taking off. Its really cool!

: I have seen people skate the ramp with wheels with grooves in them. So it should be OK. And yes, 85a is way too soft. As I said, for me even 93a is too soft, but you (being feather weight) could get along with it.
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I'm leaning towards the radar tuners if I can get a good price/maybe ebay. They are wide which I might like for now and the tite is about 93a. I could get some super cheap radar demons, 95a, but didnt hear good things about those. I was thinking when I go wide, I could try the more narrow zodiacs. That would give me more area to grind too I guess. The idea of sliding on my plate sounds like fun!
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Bernhard: grinds (28. Jun. 2007 23:31)
 : Sounds more complicated then the bolt idea. Threading is beyond me lol.

Most of the metal work done on my skates is also beyond me. I had it done by competent people. Next thing I want to have done is a new slider holder. I know a competent wood worker, but he takes his time. :-( I hope my skates hold up till he produces the goods!

: Well, one day when I have spare money or spare parts, I will toy with the idea of taking out the axel, putting in a bolt.

Surely you will keep us updated once you're there!
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claudine: hangers (29. Jun. 2007 05:40)
 : : Sounds more complicated then the bolt idea. Threading is beyond me lol.
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: Most of the metal work done on my skates is also beyond me. I had it done by competent people. Next thing I want to have done is a new slider holder. I know a competent wood worker, but he takes his time. :-( I hope my skates hold up till he produces the goods!
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: : Well, one day when I have spare money or spare parts, I will toy with the idea of taking out the axel, putting in a bolt.
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: Surely you will keep us updated once you're there!

Well, I tried to bang with my metal mallet out the hangers from my dominions just now since they would take skateboard wheels. Stuff started to fly off the table so I stopped lol! Maybe they are intact? I know some are. Then the last thread was flattened so I had to use my stone file to flatten it out. Now I have nuts back on my old skates! So I'm not going to try to bang out the ones on my aggro. skates until I have a second back up pair and I find out from the manufacturer that it does come out. Otherwise, the treads get fat and flattened.

But I might start searching for some narrow skateboard trucks. I want to build a setup with skateboard trucks on and a wooden plate! It will take awhile. I also want to build a pair of freestyle/trick street skates with the trucks forward and a more responsive plate. I was a studio art major and design/build lots of stuff. I used to dig stuff out of the dumpster at the last apartment and got an A++ in my design class lol. I even made furniture that way! So I dig doing this stuff. But I need more time to learn the correct way to do things; otherwise, it would be an expensive learning means.

So for now I'm searching for speed wheels so I can start working my way up the ramps.......
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Bernhard: hangers (29. Jun. 2007 08:00)
 : Well, I tried to bang with my metal mallet out the hangers from my dominions just now since they would take skateboard wheels. Stuff started to fly off the table so I stopped lol! Maybe they are intact? I know some are. Then the last thread was flattened so I had to use my stone file to flatten it out.

Probably a case of the wrong tools. I think you would need a tools which is called "Durchschläger" in German (can't find an English translation). It is a punching tool with a flat tip. But you are quite well off. I know a roller skater who ruining his threads by forcefully putting metric nuts on them.

: But I might start searching for some narrow skateboard trucks. I want to build a setup with skateboard trucks on and a wooden plate!

Sounds good.

: It will take awhile. I also want to build a pair of freestyle/trick street skates with the trucks forward and a more responsive plate. I was a studio art major and design/build lots of stuff. I used to dig stuff out of the dumpster at the last apartment and got an A++ in my design class lol. I even made furniture that way! So I dig doing this stuff. But I need more time to learn the correct way to do things; otherwise, it would be an expensive learning means.

You seem to be quite full of ideas and resources. Maybe you could write up your experience some day for inclusion in the how-to pages.

: So for now I'm searching for speed wheels so I can start working my way up the ramps.......

The wheels will help. But nothing can replace exercise and technique ...
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RollerSkater Dave: hangers (29. Jun. 2007 08:13)
 
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: But I might start searching for some narrow skateboard trucks. I want to build a setup with skateboard trucks on and a wooden plate! It will take awhile. I also want to build a pair of freestyle/trick street skates with the trucks forward and a more responsive plate. I was a studio art major and design/build lots of stuff. I used to dig stuff out of the dumpster at the last apartment and got an A++ in my design class lol. I even made furniture that way! So I dig doing this stuff. But I need more time to learn the correct way to do things; otherwise, it would be an expensive learning means.

http://landyachtz.com/D27.cfm?PID=101&place=1




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zorg: hangers (29. Jun. 2007 11:29)
 The lightest trucks are:
http://www.uptrucks.com/x_trucks/trucks_freestyle.asp
But not tested yet....
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claudine: hangers (29. Jun. 2007 15:31)
 
: Probably a case of the wrong tools. I think you would need a tools which is called "Durchschläger" in German (can't find an English translation). It is a punching tool with a flat tip. But you are quite well off. I know a roller skater who ruining his threads by forcefully putting metric nuts on them.
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Well, I know theres this one tool that extracts them, given they arent fixed that is, but I think that costs around $200-$400! So its a touch over budget lol.


: You seem to be quite full of ideas and resources. Maybe you could write up your experience some day for inclusion in the how-to pages.
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Sure will do! The more info thats out there, the better!! :-D

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: The wheels will help. But nothing can replace exercise and technique ...

I really agree on this one! Thats why I'm trying to go short bits practically daily.

The artistic skaters I know, play HUGE importance on equipment, really expensive stuff too. Some of them even practice in $100 dresses lol. For outdoors, a well fitting boot and appropriate wheels seem to be the most important because those can really mess you up. Least its not $800 plates. :-O
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claudine: hangers (29. Jun. 2007 15:36)
 
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Oh WOW! How wide are they? If they are the same width at the narrow ramp trucks, I'll be impressed! ;-D
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claudine: hangers (29. Jun. 2007 15:38)
 : The lightest trucks are:
: http://www.uptrucks.com/x_trucks/trucks_freestyle.asp
: But not tested yet....

Hey, those look really cool, but how wide are they? I want the most narrow first, then light ones. There must be some out there for me. :-D

Those certainly are pretty sweet!!
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RollerSkater dave: hangers (30. Jun. 2007 00:59)
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: Oh WOW! How wide are they? If they are the same width at the narrow ramp trucks, I'll be impressed! ;-D


About 3 inches.
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irene: hangers (30. Jun. 2007 01:28)
 : The lightest trucks are:
: http://www.uptrucks.com/x_trucks/trucks_freestyle.asp
: But not tested yet....

We saw these in Lyon skateshop and I had to ask about them. The one negative is that they are not adjustable. They have 2 varieties for looser or tighter.

I want to build my next pair with Independent 109mm. Indy has stopped making these ;-(
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claudine: hangers (30. Jun. 2007 04:16)
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Wow! Really? Those might be the most narrow ones, right? I'll get those in another month or so and start searching for a cheapo boot. Cool man, now I'm impressed!

xxxx ;-D

So what are good 58mm skateboard wheels 92-96a not wider then 37mm? Hum, hum? ;-D
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RollerSkater Dave: hangers (30. Jun. 2007 06:08)
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: So what are good 58mm skateboard wheels 92-96a not wider then 37mm? Hum, hum? ;-D


Why would you want wheels of such a small diameter? Those are even smaller than my inline aggressive wheels. It would cut way down on the speed needed for climbimg ramps.
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claudine: hangers (30. Jun. 2007 06:50)
 : :
: : So what are good 58mm skateboard wheels 92-96a not wider then 37mm? Hum, hum? ;-D
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: Why would you want wheels of such a small diameter? Those are even smaller than my inline aggressive wheels. It would cut way down on the speed needed for climbimg ramps.

Cause my trucks are regular trucks, I dont think I could put anything wider then 37mm for a skateboard wheel because there isnt much room on the inside. I tried on a 35mm one and there was no more then 3mm room left!! Lisa also recommended this and she's pretty darn good if you ask me. :-D

I might have to put aside this idea and work on figuring out how to make the 3 inch narrow ramp trucks able to use skateboard wheels. Besides ramps, I like to jump! Landing on a narrow wheel base while rotating in the air will have me falling over sideways right now. If I liked that narrow feeling, I wouldnt hate inlines so much lol. I tried those aggressive inline wheels on the ramps and it was very unstable.

So you think I should go with the green or yellow radar tuners then or the zodiacs? I'm leaning towrds the yellow zodiacs maybe..... That might be my best bet for now until I get the wider trucks. Then small skateboard wheels would be great! I just cant afford to buy a couple sets of wheels so once I put them on, I'll have to live with it. I donno, sometimes I want wider trucks NOW.
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RollerSkater Dave: hangers (1. Jul. 2007 08:11)
 
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: So you think I should go with the green or yellow radar tuners then or the zodiacs? I'm leaning towrds the yellow zodiacs maybe..... That might be my best bet for now until I get the wider trucks. Then small skateboard wheels would be great! I just cant afford to buy a couple sets of wheels so once I put them on, I'll have to live with it. I donno, sometimes I want wider trucks NOW.


I have a set of Radar Speed Rays 70 mm 95A's but I don't know nuttin about any of the other Radars.
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claudine: hangers (1. Jul. 2007 14:17)
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: : So you think I should go with the green or yellow radar tuners then or the zodiacs? I'm leaning towrds the yellow zodiacs maybe..... That might be my best bet for now until I get the wider trucks. Then small skateboard wheels would be great! I just cant afford to buy a couple sets of wheels so once I put them on, I'll have to live with it. I donno, sometimes I want wider trucks NOW.
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: I have a set of Radar Speed Rays 70 mm 95A's but I don't know nuttin about any of the other Radars.

Like em, do they stick at all? Turn sharp well? I might get the orange witch drs. now. I want width I think so I get used to the wideness. They are 95a and no speed grooves, more like a skateboard wheel I think and reasonably priced. I just dont want to put on skinny skateboard wheels to where my wheels dont even extend beyond my boot! Thats too narrow for me until I go wide, especially if I want to do jumps. I might as well skate inlines then lol.

Actually, switch my trucks back. I think the pivot pin is a slight different length on the marathon. The cushions never sat flat even when I rotated them. Now the action is much better. So now I need to either look into narrow skateboard trucks or keep searching on making the narrow ramp trucks skateboard wheel compatible. But hey, now my trucks dont squeak!
:-D That was kinda fun taking the trucks apart.
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Bernhard: hangers (1. Jul. 2007 22:16)
 : Well, I know theres this one tool that extracts them, given they arent fixed that is, but I think that costs around $200-$400! So its a touch over budget lol.

That's a bit expensive. Better to know someone who has the special tool.

: : You seem to be quite full of ideas and resources. Maybe you could write up your experience some day for inclusion in the how-to pages.
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: Sure will do! The more info thats out there, the better!! :-D

Great! My new slider holders are making progress, too. I have to drill some holes and to countersink them. But first I have to get the tool for this. I suppose it's a bit cheaper than the price range mentioned above.

: I really agree on this one! Thats why I'm trying to go short bits practically daily.

It's great when one can go to a skatepark (nearly) every day. For me it's once or twice a week.

: The artistic skaters I know, play HUGE importance on equipment, really expensive stuff too. Some of them even practice in $100 dresses lol. For outdoors, a well fitting boot and appropriate wheels seem to be the most important because those can really mess you up. Least its not $800 plates. :-O

I never understood why those plates are so expensive. But I also do not know anyone who has them and can explain it to me.
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claudine: hangers (2. Jul. 2007 01:45)
 
: Great! My new slider holders are making progress, too. I have to drill some holes and to countersink them. But first I have to get the tool for this. I suppose it's a bit cheaper than the price range mentioned above.
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So what type of tool do you need to do this? Exactly what is counter sinking?

I think I almost understand how to make a vert. skate but the mounting of the trucks I'm still not sure of.

I might go with those 3 inch trucks if they are the same width as the narrow ramp trucks. I'm not sure how heavy they are compared to my set up but they skateboarders would also love them. I also was told from bones that the roller bones are not much different then the skateboard wheels.

: : I really agree on this one! Thats why I'm trying to go short bits practically daily.
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: It's great when one can go to a skatepark (nearly) every day. For me it's once or twice a week.
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Things come up so it hasnt been everyday but I hope it gets there soon until fall! Then I have 2 night classes. :-(

: : The artistic skaters I know, play HUGE importance on equipment, really expensive stuff too. Some of them even practice in $100 dresses lol. For outdoors, a well fitting boot and appropriate wheels seem to be the most important because those can really mess you up. Least its not $800 plates. :-O
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: I never understood why those plates are so expensive. But I also do not know anyone who has them and can explain it to me.

Couple of reasons. 1) Some metals like titanium are COSTLY. Just look at bikes. 2) Precision is very important to art skaters. A very reactive plate is not needed/wanted for aggressive. Super accurate responsive plates cost a lot. Not sure exactly WHY they have to cost so much, but if there is need for it, they can charge more I guess. Plus most people think more money means more quality too. Sometimes yes, but many times no. Its kinda like trying to scrape off one second for a mile race. People will fork over tons of money to do that! Aggressive skating is not as much about fancy equipment, just sturdy equipment, quality lies more on the skater I think.
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Bernhard: hangers (3. Jul. 2007 00:11)
 : : Great! My new slider holders are making progress, too. I have to drill some holes and to countersink them. But first I have to get the tool for this. I suppose it's a bit cheaper than the price range mentioned above.
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: So what type of tool do you need to do this? Exactly what is counter sinking?

The tool is called a "counter bore", I think. But those words are from the dictionary. I attach a drawing with a counter sunk screw. I think this will be sufficiently clear. I just bought a counter bore this evening. The counter sinking for my skates had been done by a friend who is in Australia now. Therefore I now had to buy the tool for myself. Wasn't too expensive. About 10 Euro.

: I think I almost understand how to make a vert. skate but the mounting of the trucks I'm still not sure of.
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: I might go with those 3 inch trucks if they are the same width as the narrow ramp trucks. I'm not sure how heavy they are compared to my set up but they skateboarders would also love them. I also was told from bones that the roller bones are not much different then the skateboard wheels.

The most critical attributes are diameter and hardness. I don't want wheels with a smaller diameter than 60 mm for the ramp.

Thanks for your explanations about the artistic plates. Makes a lot of sense!

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claudine: hangers (3. Jul. 2007 16:29)
 : : : Great! My new slider holders are making progress, too. I have to drill some holes and to countersink them. But first I have to get the tool for this. I suppose it's a bit cheaper than the price range mentioned above.
: : :
: : So what type of tool do you need to do this? Exactly what is counter sinking?
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: The tool is called a "counter bore", I think. But those words are from the dictionary. I attach a drawing with a counter sunk screw. I think this will be sufficiently clear. I just bought a counter bore this evening. The counter sinking for my skates had been done by a friend who is in Australia now. Therefore I now had to buy the tool for myself. Wasn't too expensive. About 10 Euro.
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: : I think I almost understand how to make a vert. skate but the mounting of the trucks I'm still not sure of.
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: : I might go with those 3 inch trucks if they are the same width as the narrow ramp trucks. I'm not sure how heavy they are compared to my set up but they skateboarders would also love them. I also was told from bones that the roller bones are not much different then the skateboard wheels.
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: The most critical attributes are diameter and hardness. I don't want wheels with a smaller diameter than 60 mm for the ramp.
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: Thanks for your explanations about the artistic plates. Makes a lot of sense!
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Hum.........couldnt I just use a larger bit to sink them in? Thats what I did when I was building furniture when I used wood. Or would a rounded head be an issue? If I keep with hockey boots, my feet are rather narrow so I must put in thick insoles in those. I like my skates tight! Although, not sure now but in a year or two when I get better, I think I might like a lower cut speed type of boot better. Right now I love the supportive hockey boots but they feel bulky and restrictive so I might go low cut eventually. If I could find one that fits more like a very supportive glove just above the ankle with lots of forward flex, that would be best! But then I wouldnt need thick insoles either. I will wait on this. Until I have more money and can afford more stuff. Right now wheels are expensive enough lol.

But Lisa thinks those wide skateboard wheels might fit. I'll check it out and post if they do. I dont think so on reg. trucks. Least I can return them!

Well also with artistic skating, not sure how to say this, but its very elitist I"m finding. That also drives up the cost. That turns me off since I'm very down to earth. I was going to take some freestyle lessons (I do enjoy the jumps and spins, not the dance stuff!) this summer but my teacher told my friend and I no unless we can pay $20 for a whole hour lesson each, its not worth her time otherwise. So that was the end of that for me. I just bumm instruction now from others lol.

Some of my friends want me to compete now since I picked it up fast but its not for me. I find the parks are a lot more fun and challenging too.
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Bernhard: hangers (3. Jul. 2007 16:41)
 : Hum.........couldnt I just use a larger bit to sink them in?

That's surely a way to improvise. A counter bore is more precise, though.

: Or would a rounded head be an issue?

Depends. It's an issue with the screws mounting my boots. I want to have them flat for comfort. It's also an issue if the surface has to be flat because it is mounted to some other flat surface. E.g. the plate or the heel spacer.

: But Lisa thinks those wide skateboard wheels might fit. I'll check it out and post if they do. I dont think so on reg. trucks. Least I can return them!

That's very nice.

: Well also with artistic skating, not sure how to say this, but its very elitist I"m finding. That also drives up the cost. That turns me off since I'm very down to earth.

I experienced the same thing here in Freiburg. There is a group of quite good artistic skaters but they tend to be very snobby. I always liked the vertical roller skaters more. With maybe one exeption they alway welcomed newcomers and never turned them off.

: Some of my friends want me to compete now since I picked it up fast but its not for me. I find the parks are a lot more fun and challenging too.

But be prepared that there won't be many of your kind near you!
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claudine: hangers (3. Jul. 2007 19:43)
 :: Depends. It's an issue with the screws mounting my boots. I want to have them flat for comfort. It's also an issue if the surface has to be flat because it is mounted to some other flat surface. E.g. the plate or the heel spacer.
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OK got it! I guess if I cant find that tool for a good price, then the bigger bit will do. Not as clean of a job but gets it done


: : Well also with artistic skating, not sure how to say this, but its very elitist I"m finding. That also drives up the cost. That turns me off since I'm very down to earth.
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: I experienced the same thing here in Freiburg. There is a group of quite good artistic skaters but they tend to be very snobby. I always liked the vertical roller skaters more. With maybe one exeption they alway welcomed newcomers and never turned them off.
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: : Some of my friends want me to compete now since I picked it up fast but its not for me. I find the parks are a lot more fun and challenging too.
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: But be prepared that there won't be many of your kind near you!

Well, they wanted me to compete ARTISTIC. If you add up the $100USD dress, different one for each competition (I wouldnt lol!), the entry fees, monthly club fees, top of line equipment ($1200+ skates!!), lessons several times a week $20 each, transportation costs, then add in you pay for your coach to travel with you, hotel fees, etc. THATS not for me!! I like the $35/yr membership to the skatepark, free lessons on occassion, ample times its open, 1 mile away.
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I dont know if I would compete in that either if I got good cause I would look old lol. I ran competitively in college so I got my metals. They are in a box now. I just want to have fun!

I agree, didnt want to say the word snobby though since some of them are nice. I dont believe in that. Especially some of the dance skaters who even walk with their noises up in the air! Which I dont get cause dance skating is more practice then talent. I like to see them do a double axel or pump a ramp even lol. But here some of the inline aggressive skaters are snobby too. Whatssup with that? I dont want to associate with those types of people. Yeah, I think the skaters here are really cool!!
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Bernhard: hangers (3. Jul. 2007 22:58)
 : Well, they wanted me to compete ARTISTIC. If you add up the $100USD dress, different one for each competition (I wouldnt lol!), the entry fees, monthly club fees, top of line equipment ($1200+ skates!!), lessons several times a week $20 each, transportation costs, then add in you pay for your coach to travel with you, hotel fees, etc. THATS not for me!! I like the $35/yr membership to the skatepark, free lessons on occassion, ample times its open, 1 mile away.
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I guess if we factor in the time we spend building our skates they are quite expensive, too. Even if we calculate only a modest hourly rate. ;-)

: I dont know if I would compete in that either if I got good cause I would look old lol. I ran competitively in college so I got my metals. They are in a box now. I just want to have fun!

I didn't quite get that. Did you compete running, or did you compete skating?

: Yeah, I think the skaters here are really cool!!

I think so, too.
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claudine: hangers (4. Jul. 2007 02:02)
 : : Well, they wanted me to compete ARTISTIC. If you add up the $100USD dress, different one for each competition (I wouldnt lol!), the entry fees, monthly club fees, top of line equipment ($1200+ skates!!), lessons several times a week $20 each, transportation costs, then add in you pay for your coach to travel with you, hotel fees, etc. THATS not for me!! I like the $35/yr membership to the skatepark, free lessons on occassion, ample times its open, 1 mile away.
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: I guess if we factor in the time we spend building our skates they are quite expensive, too. Even if we calculate only a modest hourly rate. ;-)
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: : I dont know if I would compete in that either if I got good cause I would look old lol. I ran competitively in college so I got my metals. They are in a box now. I just want to have fun!
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: I didn't quite get that. Did you compete running, or did you compete skating?

I just started skating this past winter. Only skated maybe 3 times in my life before then. I was a competitive distance runner. Held the college record for the 10K! Had foot surgery and quit shortly after that. When I got really competitive and had a scholarship, it became stressful rather then fun. Now I run a mile and I'm tired lol. Skating is MUCH more fun although I did enjoy racing.
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: : Yeah, I think the skaters here are really cool!!
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: I think so, too. :-D
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Bernhard: hangers (4. Jul. 2007 08:08)
 : I just started skating this past winter. Only skated maybe 3 times in my life before then. I was a competitive distance runner. Held the college record for the 10K! Had foot surgery and quit shortly after that. When I got really competitive and had a scholarship, it became stressful rather then fun. Now I run a mile and I'm tired lol. Skating is MUCH more fun although I did enjoy racing.

Skating is indeed much more fun and more challenging. Maybe more fun because of that. I myself cut back my amount of running because I started skating. I'm still running to keep fit, however. Also had a knee surgery last year but now the knee isn't a problem any more when running.
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claudine: running (4. Jul. 2007 23:15)
 : : I just started skating this past winter. Only skated maybe 3 times in my life before then. I was a competitive distance runner. Held the college record for the 10K! Had foot surgery and quit shortly after that. When I got really competitive and had a scholarship, it became stressful rather then fun. Now I run a mile and I'm tired lol. Skating is MUCH more fun although I did enjoy racing.
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: Skating is indeed much more fun and more challenging. Maybe more fun because of that. I myself cut back my amount of running because I started skating. I'm still running to keep fit, however. Also had a knee surgery last year but now the knee isn't a problem any more when running.

Does running affect power in skating? Thats what I really want now! I have been thinking about starting to run some, probably interval type of running. I dont want to develop too many slow twitch fibers. I want to be as fast and powerful as I can. It rained today so the park was closed. I need to find something off skates to really get me into shape for the park.
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Bernhard: running (4. Jul. 2007 23:53)
 : Does running affect power in skating?

I fear that I cannot provide a scientific answer to that question. I'd say that running has a positive effect on the cardiovascular system and on lung capacity. Probably also a positive effect on some muscle groups needed for ramp skating. But not all. I find that I also need the filet and abdominal muscles which I do not improve noticeably by running.

: Thats what I really want now! I have been thinking about starting to run some, probably interval type of running. I dont want to develop too many slow twitch fibers.

You obviously know much more about muscle groups and types than me.
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claudine: running (5. Jul. 2007 02:06)
 : : Does running affect power in skating?
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: I fear that I cannot provide a scientific answer to that question. I'd say that running has a positive effect on the cardiovascular system and on lung capacity. Probably also a positive effect on some muscle groups needed for ramp skating. But not all. I find that I also need the filet and abdominal muscles which I do not improve noticeably by running.
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: : Thats what I really want now! I have been thinking about starting to run some, probably interval type of running. I dont want to develop too many slow twitch fibers.
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: You obviously know much more about muscle groups and types than me.

I was a kinesiology/physiology/pre-med major for 3 years so I understand basics of biomechanics, anatomy and physiology. It really helps me out! I became a good runner not due to pure talent, but from hard work and good training. It took me 2 yrs to get good. But I dont quite understand training for power. Power is strength and speed. That comes from fast twitch muscles. You can switch slow twitch to fast twitch muscle fibers actually, but I'm not so sure the extent. We are born with a certain composition. I just want mine to yield power nowadays!

I think if I ran, doing intervals would be best, anaerobic - fast twitch and would help. Thats where you run fast for a couple minutes, then jog a couple, repeat. I'll start that on days where I'm rained out. I'll ask my coach next time I talk to him on training more for power and speed. Well, sitting on my butt on non skate days isnt productive and this winter, there are no indoor skate parks. I want to be more fit!
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Irene: running (5. Jul. 2007 16:26)
 : : : Does running affect power in skating?
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: : I fear that I cannot provide a scientific answer to that question. I'd say that running has a positive effect on the cardiovascular system and on lung capacity. Probably also a positive effect on some muscle groups needed for ramp skating. But not all. I find that I also need the filet and abdominal muscles which I do not improve noticeably by running.
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: : : Thats what I really want now! I have been thinking about starting to run some, probably interval type of running. I dont want to develop too many slow twitch fibers.
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: : You obviously know much more about muscle groups and types than me.
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: I was a kinesiology/physiology/pre-med major for 3 years so I understand basics of biomechanics, anatomy and physiology. It really helps me out! I became a good runner not due to pure talent, but from hard work and good training. It took me 2 yrs to get good. But I dont quite understand training for power. Power is strength and speed. That comes from fast twitch muscles. You can switch slow twitch to fast twitch muscle fibers actually, but I'm not so sure the extent. We are born with a certain composition. I just want mine to yield power nowadays!
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: I think if I ran, doing intervals would be best, anaerobic - fast twitch and would help. Thats where you run fast for a couple minutes, then jog a couple, repeat. I'll start that on days where I'm rained out. I'll ask my coach next time I talk to him on training more for power and speed. Well, sitting on my butt on non skate days isnt productive and this winter, there are no indoor skate parks. I want to be more fit!

My assumption is distance running is good for stamina, which would be good for vert skating so you can take longer runs. Skaters need strong thighs, but like swimming/gymnastics, uses all muscle groups.
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